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    We all need to start planning for GRPC 2007.

    As many of you remember, last year was the first time that OCDO had a presence at GRPC. Mike and I attended and hosted an afternoon reception on behalf of OCDO which was very well received.

    This was the first time that open carry rights had been represented in any organized fashion at GRPC and I think it is important that we continue to do so. Some of the most important figures in the gun-rights movement will be there including key legislators and it would be in our best interest to be well represented as these key figures look at an agenda for the upcoming year.

    Those of you who plan to attend, please PM me or email me and let me know so that Mike and I have an idea of how many OCDO members will be going. If you ARE planning on attending, please consider wearing an OCDO polo available at our Online Store ( http://www.cafepress.com/opencarry ). In the interest of fairness, I should point out that Mike and I DO get a few bucks to pay toward the hosting bills when you buy OCDO gear

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    GRPC 2007 is being held on October 5th, 6th, and 7th at the Drawbridge Inn and Convention Center in Ft. Mitchell, Kentucky which is very near the Cincinnati airport.

    Scheduled speakers this year include: Alan M. Gottlieb, Joe Tartaro, Wayne LaPierre, John Lott, Massad Ayoob, David Kopel, John Snyder, as well as staff from the Second Amendment Foundation, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, National Rifle Association, National Shooting Sports Foundation, KeepAndBearArms.com, and Gun Owners of America. A number of elected political leaders have been invited as well but it is too early to tell which ones will attend.

    Now, for those of you who have never attended a GRPC event, here is the amazing part ... the Second Amendment Foundation will not only pick up the tab for lunch and snacks, but will also provide more than $125 worth of vital pro-gun rights materials to each attendee!!!
    Your cost to attend this event is absolutely free!

    SAF has negotiated a special discounted room rate for GRPC attendees. Reservations for the special discounted room rate of $69 per night can be made by calling 1-800-354-9793, and telling them you are planning on attending the Gun Rights Policy Conference (GRPC) sponsored by the Second Amendment Foundation.

    You can register online at http://saf.org/default.asp?p=GRPC


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    John - I think KY's laws are very friendly to Open Carry, as now are nearby Ohio's since the new preemption law went into effect.

    Anything we should watch out for as we plan our attendance?

    We CAN both OC & CC in receptions & restauants in KY where alcohol is served, yes?

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    Mike wrote:
    We CAN both OC & CC in receptions & restauants in KY where alcohol is served, yes?
    No. As I understand it (and I would welcome some KY feedback from Truebrit, AbsolutZer0, Kentuckywingman or one of our other Kentucky members on this), you may NOT CC into an establishment that serves alcohol for on-premises consumption.

    However, you MAY OC there as the prohibition in 237.110 specifically says it is a prohibition on CONCEALED carry only.

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    Are you serious John? Another state has the infamous "restaurant ban" besides VA?

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    Mike wrote:
    Are you serious John? Another state has the infamous "restaurant ban" besides VA?
    Unless I am not reading the code correctly.

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    From PDO: "Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense beer or alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to that purpose; "

    You cannot CC in bars or at the bar in a restaurant. The "primarily devoted" is the key. Just like in FL.

    So a restaurant that serves alcoholic beverages is OK, the "portion of the the establishment" that is primarily devoted is off limits.

    That is my understanding.

    If not, then I didn't carry while in KY, yeah, that's right.

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    ouch... 8hr drive, but $70/night for a weekend of free learning and takehome 2A goodies that's a steal... I'll have to see as it approaches
    -Unrequited

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    possumboy wrote:
    From PDO: "Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense beer or alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to that purpose; "

    You cannot CC in bars or at the bar in a restaurant. The "primarily devoted" is the key. Just like in FL.

    So a restaurant that serves alcoholic beverages is OK, the "portion of the the establishment" that is primarily devoted is off limits.

    That is my understanding.

    If not, then I didn't carry while in KY, yeah, that's right.
    OK, so, Possum - let's assmue that hotel receptions and special events ARE encumpassed by the rule you assert above - at the GRPC receptions in the evening, how do we get our Perrier or Coca cola classic at the little roll-in bars they set up?

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    Iam registered to attend. OHIOCCW will have a strong presence. On the registration it asked what topicsI wanted to hear about.I said "open carry". I also mentioned Wisconsin's outlook, and National Park carry.

    I will be open carrying.

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    I suggest that Mike or John contact kc3.org and get a recommendation from them (specifically Jim Hall). He/KC3 havebeen **very** thorough in answering questions and giving advice when I have contacted them.

    I don't believe you can OC in a bar in KY (actually the portion of an establishment set aside for the main purpose of serving), despite the prohibition on CC there. Also, a little known fact is that the law is squirrely regarding serving places with a capacity less than 50...

    Hey -Indiana (right across the river, and there's gambling there) recognizes all licenses, and in IN, you can CC in a BAR !! However, you cannot carrythere on a riverboat casino.



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    Mike wrote:
    OK, so, Possum - let's assmue that hotel receptions and special events ARE encumpassed by the rule you assert above - at the GRPC receptions in the evening, how do we get our Perrier or Coca cola classic at the little roll-in bars they set up?
    Assign a designated drink retrieval specialist?

    It seems to me that the roll-out bar may be covered under the off limits law. I don't have any case law from KY on the implementation of the statue.

    I do not see it applying to the entire reception area, because the primary purpose is for a meet and greet. The "portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to that purpose" rule could easily be seen as applying to the "booze cart". Again, would need to see how it has been interpreted in the past. It seems that you may have to hope that they sit Coca-Cola and Perrier out on a table you can just walk by and pickup. It seems a little to open because it would come down to how the local LEOs decide to enforce it.

    That being said, I would not go to the roll-in bars carrying until I have more information.

    Sorry Mike, that is the best I have.

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    possumboy wrote:
    It seems to me that the roll-out bar may be covered under the off limits law.
    It may or it may not, but the point is. ONLY CONCEALED CARRY IS PROHIBITED THERE! The applicable statute is:

    237.110 Subsection 16.e of the Kentucky Code which says ...

    Except as provided in KRS 527.020, no license issued pursuant to this section shall
    authorize any person to carry a concealed firearm into:

    (e) Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense beer or alcoholic
    beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the
    establishment is primarily devoted to that purpose;

    This code section may be viewed at

    ( http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/KRS/237-00/110.PDF )

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    Iam registered to attend. OHIOCCW will have a strong presence. On the registration it asked what topicsI wanted to hear about.I said "open carry". I also mentioned Wisconsin's outlook, and National Park carry.

    I will be open carrying.
    Great point - everybody who registers should say this - we need a panel talk on Open Carry!

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    jpierce wrote:
    It may or it may not, but the point is. ONLY CONCEALED CARRY IS PROHIBITED THERE! The applicable statute is:

    237.110 Subsection 16.e of the Kentucky Code which says ...
    Great! I won't be dehydrated then!!



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    Well, there is also KRS 244.125:

    http://www.lrc.ky.gov/KRS/244-00/125.PDF





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    GRPC 2007 is being held on October 5th, 6th, and 7th at the Drawbridge Inn and Convention Center in Ft. Mitchell, Kentucky which is very near the Cincinnati airport.

    Scheduled speakers this year include: Alan M. Gottlieb, Joe Tartaro, Wayne LaPierre, John Lott, Massad Ayoob, David Kopel, John Snyder, as well as staff from the Second Amendment Foundation, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, National Rifle Association...


    This sounds very interesting. I am thinking about making the trip. It would be an educational experience, I bet.

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    No way HankT! I'm trying to make plans right now and that would mean you would no longer be anonymous!!

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    HankT and BobCav together

    The conference is 1 mile away from one of my favorite restaurants. http://www.hoggys.com/index.cfm

    Cincinnati hassome descentBBQ, (Remember the Les Nesmen hog reports on WKRP)(Cincinnati used to be known as "Porkopolis").

    I'm buying the appetizers if I can sit at the same table. (I won't make you feed it to each other, or suck sauce from each others fingers).

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    Great advice from BB62, ask KC3 or James Hall about OC in bars. I feel unable to add to the discussion, since I no longer drink in bars. Maybe some clarification will be forthcoming , since I hope to attend this shindig.

    TrueBrit.

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    BobCav wrote:
    No way HankT! I'm trying to make plans right now and that would mean you would no longer be anonymous!!
    I would just buy you a few Sam Adams and your curiosity would be overtaken by your thirstiness.






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    UPDATE: The OCDO hospitality suite has been reserved!



    The Saturday night after hours OCDO reception is on!

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    Mike wrote:
    UPDATE: The OCDO hospitality suite has been reserved!



    The Saturday night after hours OCDO reception is on!
    You Guys have so much Damn fun over there in Va // I need to visit SOON //:celebrate

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    I'm considering going, but I am not liking the location due to the fact that I cant even conceal in OH being from PA.

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    It is in Kentucky not Ohio.....hope this means you can make it......

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    Mike wrote:
    UPDATE:* The OCDO hospitality suite has been reserved!

    *

    The Saturday night after hours OCDO reception is on!
    Details? Room, time?

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