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    When you're in your vehicle, and you have no concealed firearms permit, and you have your hand gun with you,where's the line between concealed and secured? I havea pickup truck and my wife has a mini-van so we don't have a trunk to "secure" it in so how do I legally transport my sidearm from place to place?

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    Narcisist wrote:
    When you're in your vehicle, and you have no concealed firearms permit, and you have your hand gun with you,where's the line between concealed and secured? I havea pickup truck and my wife has a mini-van so we don't have a trunk to "secure" it in so how do I legally transport my sidearm from place to place?
    Why not just open carry Israeli style while in your vehicle?

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    I'm reading the laws and it's really shady.I thought that itstated thatthe weapon couln't be carried in a car unless it was secured, but I look again and it says"loaded" and israeli style is technically unloaded so I guess it makes sense.I'm not a lawyer so I don't always feel that I understand the termsbecause they seem to be written specifically to confuse, to seem to say one thing instead of the other. I was looking for some clarification on the issue because I'm relatively new to all this and feel you OC vets have a better grasp on the letter then I do. Thanks for your input.

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    Narcisist wrote:
    I'm reading the laws and it's really shady.I thought that itstated thatthe weapon couln't be carried in a car unless it was secured, but I look again and it says"loaded" and israeli style is technically unloaded so I guess it makes sense.I'm not a lawyer so I don't always feel that I understand the termsbecause they seem to be written specifically to confuse, to seem to say one thing instead of the other. I was looking for some clarification on the issue because I'm relatively new to all this and feel you OC vets have a better grasp on the letter then I do. Thanks for your input.
    TYake a look at the statutes of Utah - they are pretty clear - carry (openly or concealed) of loaded handguns in Utah requires a permit; loaded means roundin chamber ( for semi-autos).

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    Mike wrote:
    Narcisist wrote:
    I'm reading the laws and it's really shady.I thought that itstated thatthe weapon couln't be carried in a car unless it was secured, but I look again and it says"loaded" and israeli style is technically unloaded so I guess it makes sense.I'm not a lawyer so I don't always feel that I understand the termsbecause they seem to be written specifically to confuse, to seem to say one thing instead of the other. I was looking for some clarification on the issue because I'm relatively new to all this and feel you OC vets have a better grasp on the letter then I do. Thanks for your input.
    TYake a look at the statutes of Utah - they are pretty clear - carry (openly or concealed) of loaded handguns in Utah requires a permit; loaded means roundin chamber ( for semi-autos).
    In Utah it's Pretty Clear,


    (18) "Securely encased" means not readily accessible for immediate use, such as held in a gun rack, or in a closed case or container, whether or not locked, or in a trunk or other storage area of a motor vehicle, not including a glove box or console box.

    SO I COULD SIT WITH WITH MY GUN ( NON-PERMIT HOLDER ) IN A TUPPER-WARE BIN NEXT TO ME, CUZ IT CAN BE A CLOSED CONTAINER AND IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE LOCKED :what::celebrate

    VALID CCW LOCKED,COCKED AND READY TO GO ON THE HIP.

    AS A CCW HOLDER IV'E DRIVEN DOWN ON BANGERTER HIGHWAY WITH MY KIMBER ON THE DASH FULLY LOADED ( I HAD IN MY SERPA HOLSTER WITH THE PADDLE ON IT ).

    Utah Code Section 76-10-505




    76-10-505. Carrying loaded firearm in vehicle or on street. (1) Unless otherwise authorized by law, a person may not carry a loaded firearm: ...
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    76-10-505. Carrying loaded firearm in vehicle or on street.
    (1) Unless otherwise authorized by law, a person may not carry a loaded firearm:
    (a) in or on a vehicle;
    (b) on any public street; or
    (c) in a posted prohibited area.
    (2) A violation of this section is a class B misdemeanor.


    Amended by Chapter 328, 1990 General Session
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    Utah Code Section 76-10-501




    76-10-501. Definitions. As used in this part: (1) (a) "Antique firearm" means any firearm: (i) (A) with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, ...
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    76-10-501. Definitions.
    As used in this part:
    (1) (a) "Antique firearm" means any firearm:
    (i) (A) with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system; and
    (B) that was manufactured in or before 1898; or
    (ii) that is a replica of any firearm described in this Subsection (1)(a), if the replica:
    (A) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition; or
    (B) uses rimfire or centerfire fixed ammunition which is:
    (I) no longer manufactured in the United States; and
    (II) is not readily available in ordinary channels of commercial trade; or
    (iii) (A) that is a muzzle loading rifle, shotgun, or pistol; and
    (B) is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and cannot use fixed ammunition.
    (b) "Antique firearm" does not include:
    (i) any weapon that incorporates a firearm frame or receiver;
    (ii) any firearm that is converted into a muzzle loading weapon; or
    (iii) any muzzle loading weapon that can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the:
    (A) barrel;
    (B) bolt;
    (C) breechblock; or
    (D) any combination of Subsection (1)(b)(iii)(A), (B), or (C).
    (2) (a) "Concealed dangerous weapon" means a dangerous weapon that is covered, hidden, or secreted in a manner that the public would not be aware of its presence and is readily accessible for immediate use.
    (b) A dangerous weapon shall not be considered a concealed dangerous weapon if it is a firearm which is unloaded and is securely encased.
    (3) "Criminal history background check" means a criminal background check conducted by a licensed firearms dealer on every purchaser of a handgun through the division or the local law enforcement agency where the firearms dealer conducts business.
    (4) "Curio or relic firearm" means any firearm that:
    (a) is of special interest to a collector because of a quality that is not associated with firearms intended for:
    (i) sporting use;
    (ii) use as an offensive weapon; or
    (iii) use as a defensive weapon;
    (b) (i) was manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date; and
    (ii) is not a replica of a firearm described in Subsection (4)(b)(i);
    (c) is certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum that exhibits firearms to be a curio or relic of museum interest;
    (d) derives a substantial part of its monetary value:
    (i) from the fact that the firearm is:
    (A) novel;
    (B) rare; or


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    (C) bizarre; or
    (ii) because of the firearm's association with an historical:
    (A) figure;
    (B) period; or
    (C) event; and
    (e) has been designated as a curio or relic firearm by the director of the United States Treasury Department Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms under 27 C.F.R. Sec. 178.11.
    (5) (a) "Dangerous weapon" means any item that in the manner of its use or intended use is capable of causing death or serious bodily injury. The following factors shall be used in determining whether a knife, or any other item, object, or thing not commonly known as a dangerous weapon is a dangerous weapon:
    (i) the character of the instrument, object, or thing;
    (ii) the character of the wound produced, if any;
    (iii) the manner in which the instrument, object, or thing was used; and
    (iv) the other lawful purposes for which the instrument, object, or thing may be used.
    (b) "Dangerous weapon" does not include any explosive, chemical, or incendiary device as defined by Section 76-10-306.
    (6) "Dealer" means every person who is licensed under crimes and criminal procedure, 18 U.S.C. 923 and engaged in the business of selling, leasing, or otherwise transferring a handgun, whether the person is a retail or wholesale dealer, pawnbroker, or otherwise.
    (7) "Division" means the Criminal Investigations and Technical Services Division of the Department of Public Safety, created in Section 53-10-103.
    (8) "Enter" means intrusion of the entire body.
    (9) (a) "Firearm" means a pistol, revolver, shotgun, sawed-off shotgun, rifle or sawed-off rifle, or any device that could be used as a dangerous weapon from which is expelled a projectile by action of an explosive.
    (b) As used in Sections 76-10-526 and 76-10-527, "firearm" does not include an antique firearm.
    (10) "Firearms transaction record form" means a form created by the division to be completed by a person purchasing, selling, or transferring a handgun from a dealer in the state.
    (11) "Fully automatic weapon" means any firearm which fires, is designed to fire, or can be readily restored to fire, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading by a single function of the trigger.
    (12) (a) "Handgun" means a pistol, revolver, or other firearm of any description, loaded or unloaded, from which any shot, bullet, or other missile can be discharged, the length of which, not including any revolving, detachable, or magazine breech, does not exceed 12 inches.
    (b) As used in Sections 76-10-520, 76-10-521, and 76-10-522, "handgun" and "pistol or revolver" do not include an antique firearm.
    (13) "House of worship" means a church, temple, synagogue, mosque, or other building set apart primarily for the purpose of worship in which religious services are held and the main body of which is kept for that use and not put to any other use inconsistent with its primary purpose.
    (14) "Prohibited area" means any place where it is unlawful to discharge a firearm.
    (15) "Readily accessible for immediate use" means that a firearm or other dangerous weapon is carried on the person or within such close proximity and in such a manner that it can be

    retrieved and used as readily as if carried on the person.
    (16) "Residence" means an improvement to real property used or occupied as a primary or secondary residence.
    (17) "Sawed-off shotgun" or "sawed-off rifle" means a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of fewer than 18 inches in length, or in the case of a rifle, having a barrel or barrels of fewer than 16 inches in length, or any dangerous weapon made from a rifle or shotgun by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified has an overall length of fewer than 26 inches.
    (18) "Securely encased" means not readily accessible for immediate use, such as held in a gun rack, or in a closed case or container, whether or not locked, or in a trunk or other storage area of a motor vehicle, not including a glove box or console box.
    (19) "State entity" means each department, commission, board, council, agency, institution, officer, corporation, fund, division, office, committee, authority, laboratory, library, unit, bureau, panel, or other administrative unit of the state.
    (20) "Violent felony" means the same as defined in Section 76-3-203.5.

    Amended by Chapter 111, 2001 General Session
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