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    http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro...2254-3826r.htm

    Mike Stollenwerk, a Fairfax County resident and a permit holder, said being able to carry a weapon openly gives people a sense of security.
    "It's an insurance policy," he said. "I'm not a statistician, but it makes people feel more safe when they have the right to carry."
    Still, Mrs. Howell said she agrees with those who say guns in holsters pose a serious threat. She tried unsuccessfully to persuade the state legislature to ban guns from establishments that serve alcohol and vowed to try again next year.

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    Still, Mrs. Howell said she agrees with those who say guns in holsters pose a serious threat. She tried unsuccessfully to persuade the state legislature to ban guns from establishments that serve alcohol and vowed to try again next year. "It's pretty obvious that guns and alcohol don't mix," [emphasis added] she said. "Having guns in places that sell alcohol puts the public and employees at risk. People don't necessarily think straight when they are drinking."
    It is not at all obvious that 'guns and alcohol do not mix.' I suspect that guns and excessive alcohol do not mix just as excessive alcohol and driving do not mix. Or excessive alcohol and sexual congress do not mix. The latter is tolerated, the next is a problem problem not solved by banning automobiles as Mrs. Howell's logic would require.

    Virginia state Sen. Janet D. Howell says she was surprised when a D.C. resident sent her an e-mail saying he won't be crossing the Potomac into Virginia anymore because of the open-carry law. "He feels that the District of Columbia is a safer place to be," said Mrs. Howell, Fairfax County Democrat.
    This is Socratic irony at its best and likely a lie. Why would she mention one e-mail, espousing what she would have us believe is a popular position, rather than prate of the 99.8% positive response to her in-house, non-scientific poll of her electors?

    Mike Stollenwerk, a Fairfax County resident and a permit holder, said being able to carry a weapon openly gives people a sense of security. "It's an insurance policy," he said. "I'm not a statistician, but it makes people feel more safe when they have the right to carry."
    I wonder if Mike S. has been reading Hank T, here, and his self-assigned attribute as 'graduate of statistical and quantitative analysis. A personal anecdote may be the truth but 'two personal anecdotes do not data make.'

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    "It's pretty obvious that guns and alcohol don't mix," [emphasis added] she said.

    Hmm, well if not in moderation, you may certainly have a problem with some people being beligerent and causing problems, but this can happen when they are unarmed as well....

    I was thinking how dangerous cars can be, and especially after drinking, so I am going to urge my congressman to abolish all parking facilities at every restaurant and store that serves or sells alcohol so that nobody may drive their vehicles to these locations, this is obviously the right thing to do, and there are no flaws in my logic .

    Anyone behind me on this?

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    This is an old article from 2004.

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    Some very nice quotes from PVC and MS. Pretty balanced article, though it's obviously pretty old now. Still good to read it again.



    Doug Huffman wrote:
    ...'two personal anecdotes do not data make.'
    Well, actually theyare data. Anecdotal accounts are qualitative data. One can use that kind of data for many purposes, including suporting a point but it must be done well or else it's ng. These data are just not generalizable in any way like the quantitative are, that's all.

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