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    OH BOY, this is madness!!

    Can a receiving FFL dealer keep a firearm when specifically asked by the owner of the firearm to return said firearm to the original sending FFL dealer??

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    I'm not up to speed on federal law in this area.

    You might try phoning an FFL you trust.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

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    Citizen wrote:
    I'm not up to speed on federal law in this area.

    You might try phoning an FFL you trust.
    I have, the FFL that received the firearm originally WILL NOT release it to the fed ex that comes to pick it up!

    thanks for your input.

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    Something doesn't make sense. If they don't have lawful authority hold it,or have some legal liability in releasing it, it would seem to be theft. This area of firearms law and regulation should be fairly well defined.

    What are the facts?
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
    Something doesn't make sense. If they don't have lawful authority hold it,or have some legal liability in releasing it, it would seem to be theft. This area of firearms law and regulation should be fairly well defined.

    What are the facts?
    what gives lawful authority to hold it?

    he will not answer his phone or release the firearm to fed ex that was sent to the place by the ORIGINAL FFL sender!

    The firearm was sold to someone and the guy will NOT take her calls either!

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    You need to call the law on this one bud. Or at least talk to a lawyer over the phone. Many will give free 30 minutes of advice or so.
    "Let your gun be your constant companion during your walks" ~Thomas Jefferson

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    FreeOrDie,

    The help you get here will only be as effective as the facts are complete. Please give us the complete facts.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
    FreeOrDie,

    The help you get here will only be as effective as the facts are complete. Please give us the complete facts.
    forget it.... amazing how useless these forums are at times... I can not give you ANY clearer facts! What do you want my address, telephone number and my last child?

    Thank you sig, that is what I was thinking. Do I call the PA state police or local law sig?

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    FreeorDie wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    FreeOrDie,

    The help you get here will only be as effective as the facts are complete. Please give us the complete facts.
    forget it.... amazing how useless these forums are at times... I can not give you ANY clearer facts! What do you want my address, telephone number and my last child?

    Thank you sig, that is what I was thinking. Do I call the PA state police or local law sig?
    It's amazing how useless some posters are at times, do you still need your mommy to tell you when to take a piss?

    Get off of your ass and call both agencies and determine it for yourself who you should be filing complaints with. Don't rely on forums for all of your legal advice. If you didn't think to contact an attorney all by yourself, but rather needed a poster on the internet to plant that little seed, it's no wonder you couldn't imagine that more details might be needed.

    Call an attorney and tell him to make a judgement based solely on your original post, betcha dimes to dollars he asks for... guess what... ."more information".

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    Hyaloid wrote:
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    FreeOrDie,

    The help you get here will only be as effective as the facts are complete. Please give us the complete facts.
    forget it.... amazing how useless these forums are at times... I can not give you ANY clearer facts! What do you want my address, telephone number and my last child?

    Thank you sig, that is what I was thinking. Do I call the PA state police or local law sig?
    It's amazing how useless some posters are at times, do you still need your mommy to tell you when to take a piss?

    Get off of your ass and call both agencies and determine it for yourself who you should be filing complaints with. Don't rely on forums for all of your legal advice. If you didn't think to contact an attorney all by yourself, but rather needed a poster on the internet to plant that little seed, it's no wonder you couldn't imagine that more details might be needed.

    Call an attorney and tell him to make a judgement based solely on your original post, betcha dimes to dollars he asks for... guess what... ."more information".
    Listen Hyaloid I did NOT ask for your two cents, as far as I am concerned you could have ignored this post entirely.. Do me a favor and kiss my a$$...

    I posted to forget it, that was simple enough...

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    I agree with Citizen. Your request smells funny. First you dance around revealing critical information (your "facts" are as clear as mud) and thenyou dismiss this "important" issue (in essence you take your ball and go home). I surmise that either (1) there are facts which show somebody in an unfavorable light, (2) you don't want to ask the real question or (3) both. I suppose it is possible that you just have difficulty expressing your request but don't be angry when people ask for clarification. If your request is legit and you still would like help, then lay out the story step by step. Such as 1. On 01/01/2007, I ordered a porcelain Glock 8 from Die Hard Gun Co. 2. I paid $4500 by credit card.....



    Citizen wrote:
    FreeOrDie,

    The help you get here will only be as effective as the facts are complete. Please give us the complete facts.

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    FreeorDie wrote:
    Hyaloid wrote:
    FreeorDie wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    FreeOrDie,

    The help you get here will only be as effective as the facts are complete. Please give us the complete facts.
    forget it.... amazing how useless these forums are at times... I can not give you ANY clearer facts! What do you want my address, telephone number and my last child?

    Thank you sig, that is what I was thinking. Do I call the PA state police or local law sig?
    It's amazing how useless some posters are at times, do you still need your mommy to tell you when to take a piss?

    Get off of your ass and call both agencies and determine it for yourself who you should be filing complaints with. Don't rely on forums for all of your legal advice. If you didn't think to contact an attorney all by yourself, but rather needed a poster on the internet to plant that little seed, it's no wonder you couldn't imagine that more details might be needed.

    Call an attorney and tell him to make a judgement based solely on your original post, betcha dimes to dollars he asks for... guess what... ."more information".
    Listen Hyaloid I did NOT ask for your two cents, as far as I am concerned you could have ignored this post entirely.. Do me a favor and kiss my a$$...

    I posted to forget it, that was simple enough...
    Ummm... when you posted on a public forum, you were in effect asking for the 'two cents' of anyone who cared to respond.

    Tell the FFL who is holding it to either send it back, transfer it to the buyer,or be billed for the firearm (and then he can keep it as long as he wants). If it's the sending FFL who wants it back, then, it would seem to me that this issue is between them, not you or the buyer who changed their mind about receiving it (or whatever the case may be).

    Why is the buyer not going to pick the firearm up from the FFL who is now holding it? They bought it! The only responsibility which the FFL has is to transfer the gun to the buyer...

    I think some of this has to do with WHY the firearm is now being redirected back to the seller...

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    FreeorDie wrote:
    Listen Hyaloid I did NOT ask for your two cents, as far as I am concerned you could have ignored this post entirely.. Do me a favor and kiss my a$$...

    I posted to forget it, that was simple enough...

    Wow, anger much?


    You probably didn't pay the seller, and he proved it to the holding FFL, and you're not getting your gun because of it. That's my take on things until you decide to spell it out for me since you're playing mr. secret game over there.
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    Gents, there's no need for name calling or insults. Fight nice or I'll have to close it.

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    apjonas wrote:
    I agree with Citizen. Your request smells funny. First you dance around revealing critical information (your "facts" are as clear as mud) and thenyou dismiss this "important" issue (in essence you take your ball and go home). I surmise that either (1) there are facts which show somebody in an unfavorable light, (2) you don't want to ask the real question or (3) both. I suppose it is possible that you just have difficulty expressing your request but don't be angry when people ask for clarification. If your request is legit and you still would like help, then lay out the story step by step. Such as 1. On 01/01/2007, I ordered a porcelain Glock 8 from Die Hard Gun Co. 2. I paid $4500 by credit card.....



    Citizen wrote:
    FreeOrDie,

    The help you get here will only be as effective as the facts are complete. Please give us the complete facts.
    What do you know.

    I agree with apjonas on this one.



    go figure.
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    BobCav wrote:
    Gents, there's no need for name calling or insults. Fight nice or I'll have to close it.
    You are right. I shouldn't have brought up anyone's momma.

    However, I was just annoyed that Citizen asks for more info from an anemic original post, and the forums are labeled as "useless" by the original poster.

    Hence my irritated response. Seriously, if folks come to the forum for help, but get testy when someone simply asks for details so that they can provide that help, it irked me.

    So, the alternative is for the OP to get off his own bottom, and call some people and figure out who to complain to. If there is a legitimate complaint, it shouldn't take more than 10 minutes to figure out.

    Peace out homie.

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    I hear you, but sometimes that's how it goes. No use in getting yourself all worked up over something you can't control.

    Thanks.

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    I gave the pertinent information needed to offer any solutions. The firearm IS PAID for. Law enforcement has been contacted and I will take it from there.

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    Free or Die and Hyaloid:



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    ROFLMAO!!!

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    You give a piece of pertinent information in a post in which you indicate that you have already given all the pertinent information. Do you see a problem here? Do let us know how it turns out (really, this is like a good mystery novel with the last page torn out). And no, the butler didn't do it.:celebrate

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    I gave the pertinent information needed to offer any solutions. The firearm IS PAID for. Law enforcement has been contacted and I will take it from there.

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    HankT wrote:
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    Aha, your clever jibe has backfired my friend. I don't wear panties... or pants, or underwear for that matter.


    Isn't that what open carry means?

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    Hyaloid wrote:
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    Aha, your clever jibe has backfired my friend. I don't wear panties... or pants, or underwear for that matter.


    Isn't that what open carry means?
    Damn right. Commando is the only way to go!
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    apjonas wrote:
    You give a piece of pertinent information in a post in which you indicate that you have already given all the pertinent information. Do you see a problem here? Do let us know how it turns out (really, this is like a good mystery novel with the last page torn out). And no, the butler didn't do it.:celebrate

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    I gave the pertinent information needed to offer any solutions. The firearm IS PAID for. Law enforcement has been contacted and I will take it from there.
    gave the ONLY information you need to know.. This ass has the firearm that is NOT his! It is paid for, as a matter of fact was given to me with my membership @ http://frontsight.com and they sent to this KOOKY idiot that I have known for years, but was unaware of his mental status. He continues to say he is being hit with military infrared, huh? I then sold it to a lady friend of the family and this guy will not answer her calls so she can pick it up...

    Ok, close this thread down... I am done with this waste of time...

    out.

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    Okey-Dokey.

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