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    I recently was sent an email explaining an event which occurred at a public high school in California called Montebello High School. I found no media reports of this incident, but found plenty of other online resources attesting the incident, which was staged in March 2006 as a protest to immigration reform.

    The following URL appears to have a great deal of information regarding the incident, but I am unfamiliar with snopes.com. I can offer no credibility to this site.

    http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/mexicoflag.asp

    (My apologies to those who do not have broadband access or are viewing this from their mobile devices)












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    Similar thingat the Unided States Post Office inMaywood, Ca. which is not far from Montebello.

    http://www.democraticunderground.com...esg_id=2000822
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    I have a difficult time understanding why cops would just stand around and not remove the mexican flag, throw it on the ground,and piss on it.

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    Dismayingly similar to events in a novel I just finished reading, Domestic Enemies.

    The future we may be looking at if we don't gain control of our borders.
    http://www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/

    It's the second book in a series. The first one dealt with ATF tearing down the second ammendment. Both are recommended reading for all.



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    I think my blood just went from boiling to a state of plasma.

    The only place for the Mexican flag north of the Rio Grande is on their embassy and consulates.

    However, I will offer a sage solution that does notdiminish the First Amendment:

    The Stars and Stripes represents something. The flag can mean lots of things to different people--patriotism, Uncle Sam, tradition,veterans, sacrifice, freedom. However there is one meaning that cannot be removed or changed.When viewed withoutany emotional attachments, theflag represents each andevery American.Literally. Get a big enough flag, and you can have onepolyester or cotton fiber for eachAmerican.

    When someone burns a flag, or commits a seriousdesecration against it; he is voicing his disagreement with every, single, individual other American. Bar none, because that is what the flag represents at its core.

    When one has that much disagreement with every othermember of a group, one ordinarily resigns from thegroup.

    The solution is not to criminalize desecration;but to accept or enforce the desecrator's resignation. Cancel his citizenship. Noprison, no fines--its not a penalty. It ismerely recognition that he disagrees with every otherAmerican citizen; and therefore should neither be a citizen, nor live in this country with the rest of us.

    In the case above, simply send them home. No prison, no fines, and no chance to return.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    I know, that makes my blood boil. Who do these people think they are? They ought to be ashamed of themselves. I mean the first amendment protects that kind of behaviour, but only if you are a citizen. We don't go to mexico and fly our flag and march in their streets. We don't owe illegal aliens a damn thing except deportation. I don't understand their attitude of entitlement, we are a sovereign nation within our borders we make the rules just like any other nation.

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    Snopes.com is THE go-to site for internet myths and urban legends. They are known for researching thoroughly, and I've yet to hear of them being wrong. I'm sure they either have been or will be at some point, but they're generally very reliable.

    I ALWAYS check suspicious items through snopes.

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    The following URL appears to have a great deal of information regarding the incident, but I am unfamiliar with snopes.com. I can offer no credibility to this site.

    http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/mexicoflag.asp
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    Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population. -Albert Einstein

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    ilbob,

    Partly because most of the cops are most likely Hispanics, too, andpartly because the Police Chief is a wimp and told them not to do anything...as if they really would anyway.

    La Raza, man.

    Embrace and celebrate "diversity."

    Now excuse me while I go throw up...

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    Tess wrote:
    SNIP...
    I ALWAYS check suspicious items through snopes.

    vrwmiller wrote:
    SNIP
    , but I am unfamiliar with snopes.com. I can offer no credibility to this site.

    http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/mexicoflag.asp
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    To call this a protest is a misuse of language. It wasa deliberate attempt at provocation.

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    If desecration of the flag is free speech, does not the desecrator committing the act become part of the free speech itself? Becoming a symbol of anti American sentiment himself.

    If so, why is it not legal for a person exercising their freedom of speech, to strike out at an anti American symbol and tear it down?

    Looks to me like a more proactive approach might be in order.

    People here in the east are really unaware of the battle currently going on along the length of the US Mexican border. Going to places like El Paso Texas and some souther Arizona towns is a real eye opener.

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    Hawkflyer wrote:
    If so, why is it not legal for a person exercising their freedom of speech, to strike out at an anti American symbol and tear it down?
    Sounds good to me!

    Can we set the flag-burner's pants on fire?
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    cloudcroft wrote:
    ilbob,

    Partly because most of the cops are most likely Hispanics, too, andpartly because the Police Chief is a wimp and told them not to do anything...as if they really would anyway.

    La Raza, man.

    Embrace and celebrate "diversity."

    Now excuse me while I go throw up...

    -- John D.
    My CMP rifles have killed the enemies of America once before and they and I stand ready to defend Americaonce again if and when necessary.

    I have cases and cases if MILSURP ball that I've stenciled "OPEN IN CASE OF LA RAZA"

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    Hawkflyer wrote:
    People here in the east are really unaware of the battle currently going on along the length of the US Mexican border. Going to places like El Paso Texas and some souther Arizona towns is a real eye opener.

    Regards



    Yes, the people of the East need to see this from downtown LA, the capitol of the Nation of Aztlan:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM9uH...%20immigration



    and more good stuff from http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/


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    CMP surplus ammo is VERY cheap and there's TONS of it!

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    BobCav wrote:
    CMP surplus ammo is VERY cheap and there's TONS of it!
    "Because you're mine, Iwalk the line." Johnny Cash
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Everyone of those people should be killed.

    Thats all I can say.

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    openryan wrote:
    Everyone of those people should be killed.

    Thats all I can say.
    Well that may be a bit harsh. Let's just say they should be sent back to the manufacturer as defective.
    "Research has shown that a 230 grain lead pellet placed just behind the ear at 850 FPS results in a permanent cure for violent criminal behavior."
    "If you are not getting Flak, you are not over the target"
    "186,000 Miles per second! ... Not just a good idea ... It's the law!"

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    openryan wrote:
    Everyone of those people should be killed.

    Thats all I can say.
    I'd rather deport them, their teachers, and their instigators.


    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    This is nothing new and it seams that only one President actually did any thing about it, Dwight D. Eisenhower. I only know of it as Operation ******* and I don't know if that was just the slang name for it.
    It was an attempt to remove 1.2M illegal immigrants from the US in 1954. I would post links and what not’s but because of the current storm we are getting here my dial-up is extremely slow.
    A simple search will provide many links discussing this event

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    Nope, that was the actual name for it.

    http://www.libertyforall.net/?p=672

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    Citizen wrote:
    To call this a protest is a misuse of language. It wasa deliberate attempt at provocation.
    And what, exactly, IS the point of a protest, if not to provoke?

    Anyway, it worked; it provoked most law-abiding Americans to see these people for what they are. Now we know they're just here for the free ride, and we don't want any part of it. Send 'em back.

    If they want to come in through the front door and do it right, I have no problem with them being here. I do not, however, wish to legitimize and subsidize a bunch of law-breakers who have no respect for the country they claim to want to be a part of.

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    It is well-known to people down here who live on or close to the Mexican Border, interact with Hispanics on a regular basis and hear what Mexican nationals say about America in the Mexican cities across the Border -- in my case Juarez -- that Mexico has always hated "Imperialist Norte Americanos" but DO, however, very much like the color of our money. It's been that way at least since the Mexican War (1840s).

    Of course, you have lots of whites living here who are Mexicophiles and think this Mexican influence and lifestyle is just great (these white "Americans" are part of the problem). The rest of us do not but I'm sure we are a tiny minority and are not wanted here.

    Thinking these people ever wanted to be "a part of" America is naive...they do not want to assimilate but instead want America to be like Mexico. I remember one year here that there was no 4th of July celebration (as if the Hispanics here really cared about that anyway: Most know nothing about American history nor do they give a damn) but there are ALWAYS Mexican holiday celebrations. Always.

    That's just how it is down here.

    At least the Cuban "Amercians" (another joke)in Florida will actually tell you they are just here because of Castro and as soon as he is gone lots of them will leave and go back to Cuba.

    I have no problem with immigrants who assimilate, but too many do not. This WILL change America -- it already has -- and by now it's pretty much over. Politicians and business have sold out America and American vlaues for votes and dollars respectively -- and they haveno shame in doing so. They're traitors, plain and simple.

    I've lived here since 1964, but as soon as my car is paid off (in 5 years or less), I will leave TX and try to find a place where I can live with fellow AMERICANS (possibly the Gold Star State of VA, if can afford to get an apartment there) regardless of their race/color.

    Wherever I go, I hope I can find"America" but as time goes on, that will be increasingly difficult.


    And it sure is NOT here in El Paso, TX.

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    I recently visited west Texas and southern New Mexico. I think what is lost on people in the east (most importantly Washington DC), is that this influx of illegals is not interested in the US at all. They believe that most of Texas, New mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and most of California were stolen from Mexico, and they want it back.

    That is the actual plan they have. They are flooding all of that part of The US with as many people as they can. They will eventually elect the legislatures in those states with majority voting blocks.

    THe organizations that are out there talking about this have a plan to use US law to take those states over, and the cede them from the union.

    I know it sounds crazy, but that is their plan.

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    My head already exploded once on this thread. It just went again.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    So if they manage to get back the southwestern states, they will then turn them into socialist ghettos like the Mexican states they left, and we will then have problems with illegal immigrants crossing the Mississippi River instead of the Rio Grande. Duhhh...

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