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Citizen wrote:

To call this a protest is a misuse of language. It wasa deliberate attempt at provocation.

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And what, exactly, IS the point of a protest, if not to provoke?

Anyway, it worked; it provoked most law-abiding Americans to see these people for what they are. Now we know they're just here for the free ride, and we don't want any part of it. Send 'em back.

If they want to come in through the front door and do it right, I have no problem with them being here. I do not, however, wish to legitimize and subsidize a bunch of law-breakers who have no respect for the country they claim to want to be a part of.

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It is well-known to people down here who live on or close to the Mexican Border, interact with Hispanics on a regular basis and hear what Mexican nationals say about America in the Mexican cities across the Border -- in my case Juarez -- that Mexico has always hated "Imperialist Norte Americanos" but DO, however, very much like the color of our money. It's been that way at least since the Mexican War (1840s).

Of course, you have lots of whites living here who are Mexicophiles and think this Mexican influence and lifestyle is just great (these white "Americans" are part of the problem). The rest of us do not but I'm sure we are a tiny minority and are not wanted here.

Thinking these people ever wanted to be "a part of" America is naive...they do not want to assimilate but instead want America to be like Mexico. I remember one year here that there was no 4th of July celebration (as if the Hispanics here really cared about that anyway: Most know nothing about American history nor do they give a damn) but there are ALWAYS Mexican holiday celebrations. Always.

That's just how it is down here.

At least the Cuban "Amercians" (another joke)in Florida will actually tell you they are just here because of Castro and as soon as he is gone lots of them will leave and go back to Cuba.

I have no problem with immigrants who assimilate, but too many do not. This WILL change America -- it already has -- and by now it's pretty much over. Politicians and business have sold out America and American vlaues for votes and dollars respectively -- and they haveno shame in doing so. They're traitors, plain and simple.

I've lived here since 1964, but as soon as my car is paid off (in 5 years or less), I will leave TX and try to find a place where I can live with fellow AMERICANS (possibly the Gold Star State of VA, if can afford to get an apartment there) regardless of their race/color.

Wherever I go, I hope I can find"America" but as time goes on, that will be increasingly difficult.


And it sure is NOT here in El Paso, TX.

-- John D.

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I recently visited west Texas and southern New Mexico. I think what is lost on people in the east (most importantly Washington DC), is that this influx of illegals is not interested in the US at all. They believe that most of Texas, New mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and most of California were stolen from Mexico, and they want it back.

That is the actual plan they have. They are flooding all of that part of The US with as many people as they can. They will eventually elect the legislatures in those states with majority voting blocks.

THe organizations that are out there talking about this have a plan to use US law to take those states over, and the cede them from the union.

I know it sounds crazy, but that is their plan.

Regards

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My head already exploded once on this thread. It just went again.

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So if they manage to get back the southwestern states, they will then turn them into socialist ghettos like the Mexican states they left, and we will then have problems with illegal immigrants crossing the Mississippi River instead of the Rio Grande. Duhhh...

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Tomahawk wrote:

So if they manage to get back the southwestern states, they will then turn them into socialist ghettos like the Mexican states they left, and we will then have problems with illegal immigrants crossing the Mississippi River instead of the Rio Grande. Duhhh...

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Well if the plan works for them I would say that might be one predictable result.

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Hawkflyer wrote:

I recently visited west Texas and southern New Mexico. I think what is lost on people in the east (most importantly Washington DC), is that this influx of illegals is not interested in the US at all. They believe that most of Texas, New mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and most of California were stolen from Mexico, and they want it back.

That is the actual plan they have. They are flooding all of that part of The US with as many people as they can. They will eventually elect the legislatures in those states with majority voting blocks.

THe organizations that are out there talking about this have a plan to use US law to take those states over, and the cede them from the union.

I know it sounds crazy, but that is their plan.

Regards

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I really hope they're not that stupid. If they are, they will meet with the full might and force of the US Military. Then the even greater force of the American Citizen armed with their firearms and the Second Amendment!

I just dumped a six-pack of Corona down the toilet where it belongs!!

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Hey , I heard a guy on the radio the other day [Earl Pitts] say he had aplan to remove all the illeagals.We'll just sew a 51st star on the flag and annex Mehico, when they return home to defend their homeland from the gringo we'll build a wall behind them and problem solved. Works for me.:celebrate

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Citizen,

Caution:

http://www.hellblazer.com/media/exploding-head-zone.gif

-- John D.

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BobCav wrote:

Hawkflyer wrote:

I recently visited west Texas and southern New Mexico. I think what is lost on people in the east (most importantly Washington DC), is that this influx of illegals is not interested in the US at all. They believe that most of Texas, New mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and most of California were stolen from Mexico, and they want it back.

That is the actual plan they have. They are flooding all of that part of The US with as many people as they can. They will eventually elect the legislatures in those states with majority voting blocks.

THe organizations that are out there talking about this have a plan to use US law to take those states over, and the cede them from the union.

I know it sounds crazy, but that is their plan.

Regards

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I really hope they're not that stupid. If they are, they will meet with the full might and force of the US Military. Then the even greater force of the American Citizen armed with their firearms and the Second Amendment!

I just dumped a six-pack of Corona down the toilet where it belongs!!

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Okay, so lets assume they get it back, but in the way that we 'stole' it from them.

Mexico does not have the resources to develop their current nation properly and i serious doubt adding a few states minus their infastructure, would help their current problem.

The logic of the illegals is flawed, even if they got it from us, do they think we would be there to support them with all that they are getting from us now -- hell no.

They would be right back in the crapper where they are now.

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After taking a look at those pictures, if I was there, I think it may have gone something like this:

*looks up at flags and quickly turns to the nearest officer*

"Officer!!! Quick, we have to get in there to help them, they're obviously in dire trouble, the American flag is upside-down!"

*I start running in*

Now, the question would be, do any of the officers at that school area situation know about the fact that an upside-down flag is supposed to indicate a distress signal and cry for immediate assistance?...

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openryan wrote:

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Okay, so lets assume they get it back, but in the way that we 'stole' it from them.

Mexico does not have the resources to develop their current nation properly and i serious doubt adding a few states minus their infastructure, would help their current problem.

The logic of the illegals is flawed, even if they got it from us, do they think we would be there to support them with all that they are getting from us now -- hell no.

They would be right back in the crapper where they are now.

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Actually, their plan already considers your "flaw". By voting in their own people, and ceding from the union, they get the infrastructure. What is there now is a lot better than what is just across the border. It would take a number of years for it to degrade. In the meantime, they still get the land back.

The actual flaw in the plan is that no matter what congress does, guys like BobCav are going to fight back. The only question is, are there enough Americans left in this country to defend it.

Regards

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Hawkflyer wrote:

Actually, their plan already considers your "flaw". By voting in their own people, and ceding from the union, they get the infrastructure. What is there now is a lot better than what is just across the border. It would take a number of years for it to degrade. In the meantime, they still get the land back.

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Reminds me of Ayn Rand's description of "looters" in Atlas Shrugged. People who can't produce anything nice, so they just wait for someone else to produce it, then they steal it and ruin it and move on to something else. Isn't that the way of most people who don't understand freedom and property rights? Their loyalty is to the tribe, and they just want to raid the village next door instead of making an honest living and trading like civilized people.

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Tomahawk wrote:

Hawkflyer wrote:

Actually, their plan already considers your "flaw". By voting in their own people, and ceding from the union, they get the infrastructure. What is there now is a lot better than what is just across the border. It would take a number of years for it to degrade. In the meantime, they still get the land back.

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Reminds me of Ayn Rand's description of "looters" in Atlas Shrugged. People who can't produce anything nice, so they just wait for someone else to produce it, then they steal it and ruin it and move on to something else. Isn't that the way of most people who don't understand freedom and property rights? Their loyalty is to the tribe, and they just want to raid the village next door instead of making an honest living and trading like civilized people.

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The vast majority of these people just do not care, and don't give a damn about anything, they want it, and they want it now.

I think we are beyond the point of 'fighting back.'

Fighting back assumes we are on the defensive.

We need AMERICAN border gaurds not these damn gringos who want to line their pockets while letting trash with legs come into our country.

Everyone of these $ob's that tries to cross illegally should get a warning shot, then a shot to the head.

I am sure this seems a little extreme, but these people have no regard for us (not all, but the vast, vast majority).

But on the bright side, if the infastructure turned to crap, at least they would have nice lawns.

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We need to take care of the security problem first secure our borders before even thinking about dealing with the illegals already here. The current situation is outrageous. When our borders guards must retreat before drug runners and illegal Mexican army incursions our country is in grave danger. We need to put soldiers on the border and authorize them to use any force necessary to prevent illegal border crossings no matter who does it. This is a dangerous situation that must be addressed now. We are lucky that terrorists haven't exploited the mexican/american border yet.

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And this is related to open carry how?

And before anyone says anything, mexican majority population -> takeover of government -> restriction of open carry rights is too far of a stretch to entertain.

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Im sure the Jewish population of Germany thought the same thing in 1935...

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USA in 2007 != 1935 Germany. Care to elaborate on how it is? I'm dying to understand the connection between some retards hanging a flag upside down and our right to bear arms openly.

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cato wrote:

Similar thingat the Unided States Post Office inMaywood, Ca. which is not far from Montebello.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2000822&mesg_id=2000822

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what does the sign say in the background -- we are indigenous, we own the continent?

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ChronoSphere wrote:

USA in 2007 != 1935 Germany. Care to elaborate on how it is? I'm dying to understand the connection between some retards hanging a flag upside down and our right to bear arms openly.

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Move to Miami and call me in the morning.