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    I would like to get a good holster for both CC and OC. I never wear a belt and was thinking that a shoulder holster would be my best bet. I don't have a shoulder holster yet, but I also think it would be further out of my way than a OWB.

    I wanted to hear some opinions before I go plunking down a bunch of money on a shoulder harness system. So far I was looking at the Galco Miami (*******) rig, but that's pushing $150 - $200, depending on the options. I don't hate the idea of spending a lot if it makes my P99 .40SW ride happily with me.

    So, any input on shoulder vs. OWB or any other carry option, as well as different manufacturer/models would be greatly appreciated.

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    you could go with a paddle holster too!

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    Sitrep wrote:
    I would like to get a good holster for both CC and OC. I never wear a belt and was thinking that a shoulder holster would be my best bet. I don't have a shoulder holster yet, but I also think it would be further out of my way than a OWB.

    I wanted to hear some opinions before I go plunking down a bunch of money on a shoulder harness system. So far I was looking at the Galco Miami (*******) rig, but that's pushing $150 - $200, depending on the options. I don't hate the idea of spending a lot if it makes my P99 .40SW ride happily with me.

    So, any input on shoulder vs. OWB or any other carry option, as well as different manufacturer/models would be greatly appreciated.
    I am not sure if your gun will fit any of the holsters they make butI have a Triple K Ultra, shoulder rig that I like a lot and works well with my 1911. I got mine at Cabela's for about $65.

    http://www.cabelas.com/ ( I shortened the Cabela's link, as they didn't have the one you needed, but others who are interested can find their shoulder holsters if they want to. Tarzan)

    I would buy one for my Taurus .357 magnum 7 shot snubby, but they don't make one forit so I am looking at theGalco.I found a police equipment site that carry the Galco for about $130 and I think it includes shipping

    http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum1686.php

    I like the Ultra as it has wider straps and is very comfortable even with a full sized 1911.

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    Thanks for the replies.

    I've thought about a paddle holster, but about half of the ones I've looked at still suggest it be mounted to a belt. Can anyone clarify if they work fine without a belt?

    Tarzan1888; Cabela doesn't list my model, so not sure if they'd fit. Thanks for the link to http://www.copsplus.com/ they look like they have damn good pricing and a great selection.

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    You could consider a holster shirt or a belly band. Neither requires belt. I have used both from time to time and they are surprisingly comfortable, if somewhat slower in presentation.

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    Sitrep wrote:
    Thanks for the replies.

    I've thought about a paddle holster, but about half of the ones I've looked at still suggest it be mounted to a belt. Can anyone clarify if they work fine without a belt?

    Tarzan1888; Cabela doesn't list my model, so not sure if they'd fit. Thanks for the link to http://www.copsplus.com/ they look like they have damn good pricing and a great selection.
    Yea the didn't have one for my snubby either and that is why I went looking and found copsplus. Now all I have to do is talk my wife into letting me get another holster. :celebrate

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    I was going to suggest a leather vest (like MC people wear) with gun pockets in them...but you carry a bigger gun than I do so I don't think a vest would work.

    But it does for my pocket autos.

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    MC people
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    I know I'm dangerously outside the box here, but you could wear a belt.

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    AbNo,

    MC = Motor Cycle.

    Those guys -- and gals -- usually wear nice leather vests...they're not just for looks you know. And some are made especially with pockets for guns. My vest is from legendary Leather...

    http://www.legendaryusa.com/Leather_..._Vest_s/18.htm

    ...and it's called the "Gunslinger" model:

    http://www.legendaryusa.com/Gunsling..._p/520lpbb.htm

    Another is the "Derringer" Horsehide Leather Vest...the name says what gun it's for:

    http://www.legendaryusa.com/Derringe...t_p/510lph.htm

    Expensive, but nice.


    Point is, these vests are nice, look goodand give one a way to carry a small gun not otherwise available...and the gunIS available whether you're sitting down or standing up...or riding a MC.


    Caution: If you wear leather, street punks may think you're made of money and try to rob you:shock: unless you're riding a big MC, that is...for some reason people seem to keep their distance from biker-types!


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    Though I have a slightly different reason (i.e. I'm female and many of my suits aren't "suited" to a belt) - I wear a shoulder holster from time to time. I have a Galco shoulder holster, in suede, for my .380. It's comfortable, conceals the weapon when I want it to, under a jacket, and serves the purpose. However, it causes the muzzle to be pointed BEHIND me.

    I've seen holsters, including the USMC style, that point the barrel down. My spouse has two - one is a Bianchi and one a Galco - that carry barrel down.

    My (limited) experience - it's better than nothing. Here in VA where I have to carry openly in restaurants which serve alcohol, I can at least shrug the jacket off when I go in.
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    Thanks all for the suggestions.

    Lew - Wear a belt? That's just crazy talk; you're coming straight out of left field with that one.

    The Holster shirt/ Leather vest idea sounds fairly comfortable, except my gun's a little on the large side, I think. Maybe I just need a smaller gun ... no, I don't think so. (Actually, I have been thinking of getting a .380 or something, but that's still a while off.)

    I've thought about a Belly band, but I would think it a bit awkward to get to the gun in an emergency. Someone's threatening my life, and I'm ripping off my shirt. :shock:

    Tess - Thanks for your input. The only one I've found for my gun is a Galco that is horizontal. The vertical rigs look nice, they just don't have one for me. Guess I'll need another new gun. What is it that you don't like about the muzzle pointing back?

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    I think it's more of a comfort thing.

    SEVERAL years ago, I was talking to a cop with a.... Glock? in a shoulder rig, and it pointed STRAIGHT back from just under his armpit.

    I'd prefer not to stand right behind him in line, you know...
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    My husband also has a vest, and carries a full-size 1911. But then he's a big person. I don't know what it might look like on someone smaller.



    AbNo has it correct. I just don't like the idea I'm sweeping someone and can't do a thing about it. I have the same problem with concealed carry in my purse. I do it, but I'm not as comfortable as with a belt holster.
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    Tess wrote:
    My husband also has a vest, and carries a full-size 1911. But then he's a big person. I don't know what it might look like on someone smaller.



    AbNo has it correct. I just don't like the idea I'm sweeping someone and can't do a thing about it. I have the same problem with concealed carry in my purse. I do it, but I'm not as comfortable as with a belt holster.
    IIRC, Tess, you were wearing one in IHOP after the last Manassas city council meeting. Tex1n was going to give you some crap about it, but for some reason didn't get the chance...

    I have a horizontal shoulder holster I got a long time ago, but I don't use it for various reasons, including the hassle of donning and removing it, and the muzzle sweep issue as well. Useful for certain CC scenarios, but I won't ever OC with it, unless I want to do a mobster movie scene.

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    I can understand the muzzle sweep issue, but in an IWB holster it is constantly pointed at your leg, or ... whatever. I think you have to rely on your gun not deciding to shoot itself while holstered to a large degree. If you can't trust your gun not to shoot itself, then you might need a different gun or holster design.

    I would also be a bit uneasy standing behind someone with their holstered gun pointed straight at my chest, or if they are much taller it might be pointed at my face.:shock:

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    Sitrep wrote:
    I can understand the muzzle sweep issue, but in an IWB holster it is constantly pointed at your leg, or ... whatever. I think you have to rely on your gun not deciding to shoot itself while holstered to a large degree. If you can't trust your gun not to shoot itself, then you might need a different gun or holster design.

    I would also be a bit uneasy standing behind someone with their holstered gun pointed straight at my chest, or if they are much taller it might be pointed at my face.:shock:
    I don't know what kind of holster you are using, whether I'm carrying IWB or OWB the pistol is pointed down and slightly to the rear. If a discharge were to miraculously occur, I would get a nasty powder burn or maybe a graze on my ass cheek and the bullet would impact the floor or my car seat.

    You're right about an accidental discharge being less likely than finding the Pope in a ***** house, though.

    In any case, I'd rather you point your pistol at your ass then at my chest or face, thank you very much.

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    I don't mean to imply that IWB or any other holster is always going to have the muzzle pointed at you body parts. (Though that is basically what I said.)

    But depending on the holster, gun, and activity you are doing, there may be the possibility that an in-the-holster discharge could take a nasty bite out of your hip. Or at the very least, it could hit me in the foot if I'm standing behind you in line. Granted a foot shot is better than a chest or head shot.

    I really don't want my gun pointed at my ass. Not saying your chest or head is a better place for my gun to point.

    Your face, my ass, tough call.

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    Sitrep wrote:
    Your face, my ass, tough call.
    The question is which would be a bigger loss of beauty to the world...something to ponder.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    Sitrep wrote:
    Your face, my ass, tough call.
    The question is which would be a bigger loss of beauty to the world...something to ponder.
    ROFL!!!
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    My concerns, though, is not so much my body parts (they're big enough, something is always in the way) as it is pointing a weapon at someone else. On my person I know where it is and where it's pointing at all times.
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    Well, I'm less-than-seriously mentally toying with the idea of a shoulder rig, but one pointed down, behind me at a .45 degree (or so) angle.

    I guess that falls under their foot, though.

    Or maybe leg/hip, since I'm 6'4", and my shoulders are face level with most people I know.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
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    Your face, my ass, tough call.
    The question is which would be a bigger loss of beauty to the world...something to ponder.
    Wow, if I just came into the thread here I'd be wondering.....

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    AbNo wrote:
    Well, I'm less-than-seriously mentally toying with the idea of a shoulder rig, but one pointed down, behind me at a .45 degree (or so) angle.

    I guess that falls under their foot, though.

    Or maybe leg/hip, since I'm 6'4", and my shoulders are face level with most people I know.
    I've seriously thought about that kind of rig, too. But the issue would be actually drawing the gun. It's not an easy movement to arrange your arm to draw up at a 45 degree angle from under your other arm. You essentially have to put your elbow up to your head, then bring it back down as you draw, rotating your shoulder socket nearly as far as it will go.

    If anything, I'd get one that pointed up, like the Galco ******* System. It would be even better for someone as tall as yourself, since it would point above most other persons head's.
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    just_a_car wrote:
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    ... a shoulder rig, but one pointed down, behind me at a .45 degree (or so) angle.
    I've seriously thought about that kind of rig, too. But the issue would be actually drawing the gun. It's not an easy movement to arrange your arm to draw up at a 45 degree angle from under your other arm. You essentially have to put your elbow up to your head, then bring it back down as you draw, rotating your shoulder socket nearly as far as it will go.

    If anything, I'd get one that pointed up, like the Galco ******* System. It would be even better for someone as tall as yourself, since it would point above most other persons head's.
    Actually, no.

    1> It would be cross-draw. (On a lefty, no less)

    Two, I can scratch my armpit without moving my elbow out more than 30 degrees.

    And, I guess the ******* rig would keep people from trying to sneak up behind me.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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