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Toy Soldiers, Openly Carrying Arms, Violate a California School's Ban On Guns!

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The Donkey wrote:
This isn't a California issue: it reflects the national trend towards zero tolerance for children being children nationwide.

I've ended up lawyering for Maryland students who have gottensuspended and expelled over similar controversies:in that case it was a supposed "bomb threat" thatremained in the child's notebook-- more like a "bomb thought"

At that time, the superintendenthad decided to clear schools anytime that anything connected with a "bomb" was found, and "permanently expel" all students "involved."

The result: 1) hundreds of kids -- including seven and nine year olds -- expelled for stuff like making crayon illustrations of Looney Tunes"bombs" thatvaguely resembledbowling balls with sparklers in them, and 2) a rash of bomb threatsthat occurred when the kidsgot excited and realizedthatthe schools would be automatically cleared no matter how incredible the "threat" was.

Adults and educators need to step back and let kids be kids: that means playing with plastic soldiers and capguns as well as footballs and barbies, and not viewing everyday play as a disciplinary issue.
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You make a good case, but do you in all your knowledge and law experience think for one minute that a rational approach to this issue will take place in today’s world?
 
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Kelly J wrote:
You make a good case, but do you . . . think for one minute that a rational approach to this issue will take place in today’s world?
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In my vanity, I imagine that it can.

In fact, I know sometimes that it has.

When educators and adults are "rational" about stuff like this, there is no issue and no press.

When they are not, the fixes often have to come from on high, where the fixers have no politics to fear.

For example, I would guess that the school system is aboutto lose the "bong hits for Jesus" case at the US Supreme Court in the next few days.

The unfortunate thing is that such stuff has to go to the Supreme Court because of sometimes gutless school administrators who are afraid to admit that they make mistakes -- forgetting to take into account little things like Constitution in the small time fifedoms where they preside.

Little guns -- little things. I wonder if the kids would get into trouble if they told their teachers that the soldiers with their barrels snipped had decided to concealed carry instead?
 
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The Donkey wrote:
Kelly J wrote:
You make a good case, but do you . . . think for one minute that a rational approach to this issue will take place in today’s world?
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In my vanity, I imagine that it can.

In fact, I know sometimes that it has.

When educators and adults are "rational" about stuff like this, there is no issue and no press.

When they are not, the fixes often have to come from on high, where the fixers have no politics to fear.

For example, I would guess that the school system is aboutto lose the "bong hits for Jesus" case at the US Supreme Court in the next few days.

The unfortunate thing is that such stuff has to go to the Supreme Court because of sometimes gutless school administrators who are afraid to admit that they make mistakes -- forgetting to take into account little things like Constitution in the small time fifedoms where they preside.

Little guns -- little things. I wonder if the kids would get into trouble if they told their teachers that the soldiers with their barrels snipped had decided to concealed carry instead?
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Wouldn't that be a sad commentary, just think of the School officials doing a strip search of toy soldiers and coming up empty for weapons and then demand a body cavity search!!!!!!!!!!
 
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The Donkey wrote:
I wonder if the kids would get into trouble if they told their teachers that the soldiers with their barrels snipped had decided to concealed carry instead?
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LOL, good one. They would have called an emergency staff meeting to determine how to deal with this "new security threat."

Once the ideological get going ideologically, they can't stop. They always go to extremes--absurd extremes. And common sense goes out the window. If anyone raises a hand of reason to object, they get crushed or ostracized.

Snipping off guns from toy plastic soldiers ends up making sense to those bozos. Oddly, they're usually quite educated bozos.

The principal should be ridiculed for his well-intentioned stewardship. And fired.
 
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Hawkflyer wrote:
All they did was shorten the barrels in such a way they the tiny weapons are now illegal under NFA. They all have short barreled "assault weapons".

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That is something to consider I guess, but the thing that I wonder is did these toys belong to the children or were they purchased for the event? If they were toys that belonged to the children and were used for this event then in fact the situation was to cause the children to destroy their own personal toys just to satisfy some stupid, idiotic, juvinile fear of something that could in no way harm them or anyone else, it just is beyond my understanding, and this stupidity must stop.
 
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It's not going to stop KELLY, Liberalism is a cancer. It spreads and destroys freedoms and liberty. With most of the major media outlets pushing liberalism and socialism as the " RIGHT " way to live your life and our education system teaching it, it is only going to get worse. Hopefully you or I won't live long enough to see it but our children will witness the loss of our 2nd and 4th amendment right's
 
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It's not going to stop KELLY, Liberalism is a cancer. It spreads and destroys freedoms and liberty. With most of the major media outlets pushing liberalism and socialism as the " RIGHT " way to live your life and our education system teaching it, it is only going to get worse. Hopefully you or I won't live long enough to see it but our children will witness the loss of our 2nd and 4th amendment right's
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You are probably correct and the only thing I can think of to say is GOD save this Country, the People won't.
 
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Liberalism is a cancer. It spreads and destroys freedoms and liberty. With most of the major media outlets pushing liberalism and socialism . . . .
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'fraid I just can't agree. From my way ofthinking, the Second and Fourth Amendments are part of the liberal creed that is embodied in the Bill of Rights. That creed gets attacked both by "collective rights" types on the left and authoritarians on the right.

My guess is that the school administrator who was sawing off toy soldiers here has a bit of both Franko and Castro in her. And a whole lot of wack job to round out the mix.

Alas, the left doesn't have a corner on theofficial maniafor controlling individual actions, prying into personal realms, or trying to program thoughts: the right does it with jack-boots, and the left with "cultural sensitivity."

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The Donkey wrote:
1st freedom wrote:
Liberalism is a cancer. It spreads and destroys freedoms and liberty. With most of the major media outlets pushing liberalism and socialism . . . .
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'fraid I just can't agree. From my way ofthinking, the Second and Fourth Amendments are part of the liberal creed that is embodied in the Bill of Rights. That creed gets attacked both by "collective rights" types on the left and authoritarians on the right.

My guess is that the school administrator who was sawing off toy soldiers here has a bit of both Franko and Castro in her. And a whole lot of wack job to round out the mix.

Alas, the left doesn't have a corner on theofficial maniafor controlling individual actions, prying into personal realms, or trying to program thoughts: the right does it with jack-boots, and the left with "cultural sensitivity."
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You have a balanced, and I think more realistic view of the situation. Both ideological camps want to control behavior and thought (which is behavior) to suit their tastes. This is obvious to any observant analyst. It's sickening when the lefties do it. Just as odious when the righties do to it.

Here's some more feelgood intrusion into the simplest of human behavior. By simpletons, of course.





School penalizes students for hugs, high-fives
Strict no-contact rule, meant to stem violence, has some pushing for change

Updated: 6:40 p.m. ET June 18, 2007

VIENNA, Va. - A rule against physical contact at a Fairfax County middle school is so strict that students can be sent to the principal's office for hugging, holding hands or even high-fiving.

Unlike some schools in the Washington area, which ban fighting or inappropriate touching, Kilmer Middle School in Vienna bans all touching — and that has some parents lobbying for a change.

Hugging was Hal Beaulieu's crime when he sat next to his girlfriend at lunch a few months ago and put his arm around her shoulder. He was given a warning, but told that repeat missteps could lead to detention.

"I think hugging is a good thing," said Hal, a seventh-grader. "I put my arm around her. It was like for 15 seconds. I didn't think it would be a big deal."

But at a school of 1,100 students that was meant to accommodate 850, school officials think some touching can turn into a big deal. They've seen pokes lead to fights, gang signs in the form of handshakes or girls who are uncomfortable being hugged but embarrassed to say anything.

"You get into shades of gray," Kilmer Principal Deborah Hernandez said. "The kids say, 'If he can high-five, then I can do this.' "

Hernandez said the no-touching rule is meant to ensure that all students are comfortable and crowded hallways and lunchrooms stay safe. She said school officials are allowed to use their judgment in enforcing the rule. Typically, only repeat offenders are reprimanded.

'Making out goes too far'
But such a strict policy doesn't seem necessary to 13-year-old Hal and his parents, who have written a letter to the county school board asking for a review of the rule. Hugging is encouraged in their home, and their son has been taught to greet someone with a handshake.

Hal said he feels he knows what's appropriate and what's not.

"I think you should be able to shake hands, high-five and maybe a quick hug," he said. "Making out goes too far."

His parents said they agree that teenagers need to have clear limits but don't want their son to be taught that physical contact is bad.

"How do kids learn what's right and what's wrong?" Henri Beaulieu asked. "They are all smart kids, and they can draw lines. If they cross them, they can get in trouble. But I don't think it would happen too often."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19293872/?GT1=10056
 
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vrwmiller wrote:
Hawkflyer wrote:
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Hawkflyer wrote:
I am still hoping that the San Andreas Fault will someday fix this problem for all of us. This coutry would be a lot better off if Nevada was Ocean front property. We can work out how to arrange the stars on the flag later, or just admit the US virgin Islands as a new state.:banghead:

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I'll go half with you to move Cato out of the way if the geologic event can bearranged before the next national election.
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I'm in.
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Hell, let's split it three ways! I'm in favor.
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A three way with Cato? I see some jealously problems on the horizon. Where's a good cop when you need him?
 
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Hawkflyer wrote:
Zero tolerance policies are just a way for people with poor decision making and analysis skills to make a decision. They don't have to think, they don't have to accept responsibility for the decision, all they have to do is follow the book.

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By not having to think, not having to accept responsibility, and then following the book, they can avoid any type of discrimination claim. If EVERYBODY has to follow the same dumbass rule, no one group can claim discrimination
 
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It's not going to stop KELLY, Liberalism is a cancer. It spreads and destroys freedoms and liberty. With most of the major media outlets pushing liberalism and socialism as the " RIGHT " way to live your life and our education system teaching it, it is only going to get worse. Hopefully you or I won't live long enough to see it but our children will witness the loss of our 2nd and 4th amendment right's
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No matter what kind of BS the public schools put into your children's heads, you can counter it if you pay attention. My seven year old son recently asked me " Daddy, you're not going to vote for that lady for president, are you? She wants to take away our guns." No son, you don't have to worry. Next question: "Dad, when are we going shooting again?" Real questions, from my 7 year old future defender of the 2nd.
 
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glocknroll wrote:
Hawkflyer wrote:
Zero tolerance policies are just a way for people with poor decision making and analysis skills to make a decision. They don't have to think, they don't have to accept responsibility for the decision, all they have to do is follow the book.

Regards
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By not having to think, not having to accept responsibility, and then following the book, they can avoid any type of discrimination claim. If EVERYBODY has to follow the same dumbass rule, no one group can claim discrimination
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I think it goes even deeper.....they are "programming" our kids to accept rules no matter how asinine they are..... one of the first steps to complete control......UN/NWO style....you may be surprised how much influence the UN already has on our educational system.
 
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