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    I've found myself wondering recently, "I wonder how far this is going to go before something snaps?". I'm starting to think that I might honestly see some sort of rebellion in my life time, and that is a SCARY thought.

    How far do you guys think things will have to go before thetrue Americans stand up and forcefully take back the freedoms we've lost? Do you think it has the potential to boil down to violence?...that the cold, dead hands will truely be tested?

    Oh, and do understand I'm not trying to act like I'm starting a revolution, lol. I'm honestly curious how others feel about this. I do know, whatever happens, there will always be atleast two fighting for freedom: :celebrate

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    I'm not sure what benchmark you could use before people say, okay, that's it. Certainly if enough people are spoonfed a goodPR story and don't do any research for themselves any number of our freedoms could go away. I think if the immigration bill had passed that would have been the ball at the top of the hill, and while I don't like what's going on with immigration and the lack of border security, I hope that all the news will get people enforcing the existing laws more now - pipe dream I know.

    I think another indicator would be total gun bans across the nation, but prior to that I am not sure what would be a warning light.

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    But with places like NY and DC, hasn't that national gun ban already started?

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    DreQo wrote:
    I've found myself wondering recently, "I wonder how far this is going to go before something snaps?". I'm starting to think that I might honestly see some sort of rebellion in my life time, and that is a SCARY thought.

    How far do you guys think things will have to go before thetrue Americans stand up and forcefully take back the freedoms we've lost? Do you think it has the potential to boil down to violence?...that the cold, dead hands will truely be tested?

    Oh, and do understand I'm not trying to act like I'm starting a revolution, lol. I'm honestly curious how others feel about this. I do know, whatever happens, there will always be atleast two fighting for freedom: :celebrate
    I am Afraid to State the obvious but can agree to the comments above.

    I have said to many People around me that I feel like something like this is Hanging in the Air like a Bad Thunderstorm followed by an even worst Rainstorm.

    Many People are Agreeing that I have talked to and I am 100% scared for an outcome like that.

    Wow...My Brain CANNOT comprehend what it would be like with a possible Civil War again.

    The American People KNOWS that they are loosing their FREEDOMS and I really believe the they ARE getting Pi$$ed OFF and Frustrated.





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    Rather than a civil war, how about people just insist the people we elect to office behave themselves and punish them when they don't. The amnesty for illegals bill lost out in the senate because so many Americans cared enough that the message they sent made the difference.

    Looked what happened in 1994. The people said we have had it and elected republicans to deal with the problems. Of course the republicans stabbed us all in the back, but it shows that the system still works if we use are willing to useit.

    I see no civil war on the horizon, althoughI do see something that might be almost as painfu - culture war between those of us who prefer freedom to those of us (by us I mean US citizens) who prefer a nanny state.

    For those of us who prefer liberty, if we lose the cultural war that is going on right now in front of us, we will lose it forever.

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    I don't forsee any specific 'line-in-the-sand' which will be breached all at once... The restrictions and loss of liberty will come slowly, and will be so gentle that the masses will welcome them.

    ilbob hit the head of the nail... We're involved in a Culture Warfare. We will never be given a chance to make a collective stand if we lose our current engagement. The best we could hope for in a rebellion would be short-lived victories which would end in martyrdom as the reward for resistance to compromise... for which the masses will cheer even more that we are gone, having lost their objectivity towards freedom.

    Realizing this, I am prepared to suffer the punishment for exercising freedom, in the face of mis-placed authority... I am also prepared to resist. But in the mean-time, we should all, collectively, use and support what footholds we still have in the legislative system with all of our might, and educate those around us so that they have some truth by which to possibly choose to stand with us.

    Civil war is costly... the benefitscan only beweighed generations later. So, even if we were to inevitably become thus engaged, it would ultimately be for our posterity that we would fight, not ourselves.

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    Boy did this one slow down quick...

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    If the flood gates at our So. border are not closed soon the problems of importing uneducated and poor from the third world will turn US into the third world . The new comers do not assimilate and expect us to accomodate their culture at the sacred altar of DIVERSITY .

    This will lead to a balkanization of the USA , throughout history every great society/empire has committed suicide as it crumbled from within . This is going to accelerate as a critical mass of the poor newcomers come to resent the original inhabitants of their "New Country" to which they are not loyal to anyway .

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    molonlabetn wrote:
    Boy did this one slow down quick...
    whats that supposed to mean?

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    DreQo wrote:
    But with places like NY and DC, hasn't that national gun ban already started?
    +1 - we can look at this like a temperature guage I suppose, two out of 50 have folded. Five out of 50 and it's like that snow ball at the top of the hill that starts to roll. Gotta stop that from happening. Of course, that takes place only when the residents of those twostates hold the elected leaders accountable....

    Mark - I want to say Cigarettes ought to go..... I know, that's just setting things up for disaster saying things like that, but alcohol is just as bad and we all know how well that went last time around. I know there are city wide ordances against smoking now, and that's probably where it starts isn't it? I used to smoke by the way and dropped it a long time ago, and still drink.

    ilbob - +1 I think your on to something there, and it's started.

    Casullshooter - +1 it has to be dealt with.

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    DreQo wrote:
    molonlabetn wrote:
    Boy did this one slow down quick...
    whats that supposed to mean?
    I thought for sure there would be more opinions on this topic, as hot as it seems to be right now...



    :celebrate

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    DreQo wrote:
    I've found myself wondering recently, "I wonder how far this is going to go before something snaps?". I'm starting to think that I might honestly see some sort of rebellion in my life time, and that is a SCARY thought.

    How far do you guys think things will have to go before thetrue Americans stand up and forcefully take back the freedoms we've lost? Do you think it has the potential to boil down to violence?...that the cold, dead hands will truely be tested?

    Oh, and do understand I'm not trying to act like I'm starting a revolution, lol. I'm honestly curious how others feel about this. I do know, whatever happens, there will always be atleast two fighting for freedom: :celebrate
    I think you are right -- I also believe we will see some type of rebellion, there are many unsettled issues right now in politics, and they are only going to get worse, in part because these 'representatives' are simply puppets in bed with big business for promising positions making 5-10 times what they are making when they are working for us -- so what is the motivation -- there is none.

    Unfortunately, I do not see an end to this any time soon.


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    Nobody wants to type anything while big brother is watching. Want to spoof the NSA? Insert the words, "Nuclear weapons, <third-world dictator of choice>, three million dollars" into your next phone conversation.

    I do not want, or think there will be, a shooting war in this country. There has been a culture war since before the Magna Carta was signed, some have argued since 480 BC even. Point is, there is no need to panic or get melodramatic. Congress, for all its faults, did listen this past week.

    A teensy bit of hypocracy here, but if every time we sat down to read this blog we also spent five minutes reading about some issue of the day (serious stuff like immigration, environmental issues, ecconomics, hard sciences) and then at the end of the week sent a one paragraph summary to our elected officials then things would get better.

    An example:
    Dear Senator, I've read in the past week that many of the temperature measurements people have used to calculate "global warming" have been corrupted. It seems that the thermometers used to be in open fields but some are now in the middle of hot parking lots. I have also read reports that the sun is putting out more energy than it has any time in the last 11,000 years. Please consider these factors as you deliberate any bill concerning regulation of "greenhouse gasses". Such a regulation may do nothing to influence the climate buy can certainly hurt our ecconomy and thus our ability to deal with any climatic change which does occur. Thank you, ....
    Much more to say on this, but I need to call my Senators ...

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    CPerdue, that's a wonderful suggestion. I just realized how luck we are in this day in age to be able to tell our representatives about our opinions from the comfort of our own homes. I'm going to start incorporating that into my life.

    ...but alcohol is just as bad[as cigarettes]and we all know how well that went last time around.

    Not true. alcohol only DIRECTLY effects the individual ingesting it. Cigarettes, when lit, spread the toxins and chemicals through-out the room, free for anyone to breath (whether they know it or not.) The extreme of that would be to mix a big bucket of ammonia and chlorine in the middle of wal-mart, then watch while everyone inhales chlorine gas.

    I wont make any statements on what, if any, restrictions should be made, because honestly I don't know. I do know that I believe I have the right to roam freely without worrying about someone intentionally burning harmful, deadly gases into the air.


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    DreQo wrote:
    CPerdue, that's a wonderful suggestion. I just realized how luck we are in this day in age to be able to tell our representatives about our opinions from the comfort of our own homes. I'm going to start incorporating that into my life.
    +1

    ...but alcohol is just as bad[as cigarettes]and we all know how well that went last time around
    Not true. alcohol only DIRECTLY effects the individual ingesting it. Cigarettes, when lit, spread the toxins and chemicals through-out the room, free for anyone to breath (whether they know it or not.) The extreme of that would be to mix a big bucket of ammonia and chlorine in the middle of wal-mart, then watch while everyone inhales chlorine gas.
    Tell that to the wives/children that deal with husband/father that comes home drunk and beats the hell out of them.......if he makes it home without killing inocents in an accident......no, I didn't grow up in that atmosphere but know many have and do....and yes, I do drink socially...very moderately...never legally intoxicated etc.
    I can agree with this and support indoor smoking bans in public places...resturants etc....but draw the line there and DO NOT support a full smoking ban....is it OK to deny a smoker his/her rights to smoke at all?....yes, I do smoke...in MY home, MY vehicle, outdoors etc.
    I only hope that you're joking, or at least making a smartass statement here.....you're comparing a summer breeze to a hurricane....kilotons of toxins are put into the atmosphere daily from REAL sources...and you whine about smoking?
    I wont make any statements on what, if any, restrictions should be made, because honestly I don't know. I do know that I believe I have the right to roam freely without worrying about someone intentionally burning harmful, deadly gases into the air.

    Smoking puts FAR less toxins into the environment than most ANY other source......automobiles, factories, power plants, aircraft etc. do FAR more damage than "a smoke" ever could...even if TWICE as many people smoked than do now.
    IMHO, you should focus your frustration on the REAL problem spots and leave smokers alone...you almost sound like an "anti", just with a different focus.

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    This seems a bit "too far" for some peoples comfort level.......

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...articleId=3618

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    Oops, Wrong thread...

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    Uh, it's a bit off topic, but if you're worried about air pollution, uhm...sorry, but cigarettes are not going to hurt you. Automobiles? Yes.

    Anyway, whenever I think about this notion of when Americans will "rise up," I think of 1984 (frightening how smart that guy was, huh??). The way America will eventually lose all of its freedoms is through time. Each generation is exposed to a different world than the last one, thus they are inured to more government control than their ancestors. That's how the real damage is done.

    We forget our history, and are blinded by ubiquitous, technological stimuli to appease our rapidly diminishing discontent.

    Sigh, ya'll are ruining my happy weekend.

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    Comp-tech wrote:
    This seems a bit "too far" for some peoples comfort level.......

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...articleId=3618
    A bit too extreme for my liking, however I am in agreement with him on this...

    The law also facilitates militarized police round-ups and detention of protesters, so called "illegal aliens," "potential terrorists" and other "undesirables" for detention in facilities already contracted for and under construction by Halliburton. That's right. Under the cover of a trumped-up "immigration emergency" and the frenzied militarization of the southern border, detention camps are being constructed right under our noses, camps designed for anyone who resists the foreign and domestic agenda of the Bush administration.

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    Considering our government's actions after Katrina...I do not have much hope.

    National guard, police and private Blackwater contractors confiscated guns by force. I did not hear of any of them refusing to carry out these unconstitutional orders nor did I hear of citizens resisting.

    Sit down and really think about that for a minute...or longer.

    When push came to shove...they shoved...and that was it.

    All that's needed is a big enough "crisis" and there won't be much left at all.

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    openryan wrote:
    Comp-tech wrote:
    This seems a bit "too far" for some peoples comfort level.......

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...articleId=3618
    A bit too extreme for my liking, however I am in agreement with him on this...

    The law also facilitates militarized police round-ups and detention of protesters, so called "illegal aliens," "potential terrorists" and other "undesirables" for detention in facilities already contracted for and under construction by Halliburton. That's right. Under the cover of a trumped-up "immigration emergency" and the frenzied militarization of the southern border, detention camps are being constructed right under our noses, camps designed for anyone who resists the foreign and domestic agenda of the Bush administration.
    These are the ones that trouble me...how long 'till people like us (OCDOers) are "labeled"?

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    "The law also facilitates militarized police round-ups and detention of protesters, so called "illegal aliens," "potential terrorists" and other "undesirables" for detention in facilities already contracted for ..."

    Um, I'm calling BS until someone posts a picture and location of such a camp. Are the Minutemen, "frenzied militarization"? C'mon people, this is fearmongering. Keep your powder dry for something useful.

    Off topic, but did anyone ever notice that all that seems to be left of dead empires is the walls they built on their borders? I'm thinking Hadrian's wall (Rome), the Chineese wall which didn't stop the Mongols, lots of little Hellenic city-states. Walls are a last-ghasp effort to compensate for a failed foreign policy and they have never worked. Instead of a border fence, we should call up Mexico and say, "You seal the border or we cancel NAFTA." Maybe I've found the topic of my next congressional missive ...

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    Republidog wrote:
    Considering our government's actions after Katrina...I do not have much hope.

    National guard, police and private Blackwater contractors confiscated guns by force. I did not hear of any of them refusing to carry out these unconstitutional orders nor did I hear of citizens resisting.

    Sit down and really think about that for a minute...or longer.

    When push came to shove...they shoved...and that was it.

    All that's needed is a big enough "crisis" and there won't be much left at all.
    This is much in mind. I did hear of people resisting - lots of stuff on these boards actually about people setting up community watches (dare I say 'militias'?). There were other kinds of push-back as well.

    And the ones who did the confiscations got spanked. No, it didn't help in the moment but it did lead to better law here in Va.

    I have to assume civility on the part of public officials (and most other people I meet). My duty is to project an air of the same, especially when OC. This means that they are not disposed to do anything by force, and I am not going to trigger a riteous self-defence from them (i.e., disarming and locking me up).

    I am pondering what converts civilized people into barbarians, even temporarially. I think we may have the most to be concerned about from people who start out unprepared for some crisis (incompetent politician/bureaucrat), then get scared and excited because they don't know what to do (fire, storm, etc.), and finally act precipitously (disarm little 'ol ladys). Found relaxed at a back-yard BBQ, the guys involved would probably not feel the need to disarm anybody.

    Finally then, how do we break this chain? Get rid of the fear perhaps by removing the perception of responsibility from officialdom. I defused a tense situation yesterday by telling someone, "this is not your problem." This may not work with a busybody, white knight, or the power-hungry, but it did work with a person of good will who was just trying to keep the paperwork straight.

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    http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artm...w.cgi/47/17936

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...ntioncamps.htm

    http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2006...mps31jan06.htm

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/211103martiallaw.html

    Tommy Franks said:

    “It means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world – it may be in the United States of America – that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event. Which in fact, then begins to unravel the fabric of our Constitution. Two steps, very, very important.”

    “As I look at President Bush, I think he will ultimately be judged as a man of extremely high character. A very thoughtful man, not having been appraised properly by those who would say he’s not very smart. I find the contrary. I think he’s very, very bright. And I suspect that he’ll be judged as a man who led this country through a crease in history effectively. Probably we’ll think of him in years to come as an American hero.”
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    Franks describes Bush as someone instrumental in"unraveling the fabric of our Constitution" who yet has "extremely high character" and is"very thoughtful" and "very, very bright," and is indeed "an American hero"?

    Is this meant as ironic or just moronic?

    -ljp

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