danbus
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I wanted to hold off my story until I got it resolved, but I must get it off my chest since I have no one else to talk to. Again this is MY side of the story.
This event occured 6/29/07 approx 4:55pm.
I was going to pick up a friend who works at a bank call center in downtown Norfolk. I decided to park my car at a meter and wait across the street since my car didn't have any AC and it was cooler outside. Of course you know I was OCing. Approximately 5pm, a security guard walked past me. I felt that he was getting a closer look. One minute later, ANOTHER guard walked past me to get a closer look. Now both of these guards didn't look me in the eyes, so I knew deep down, it was going to hit the fan.
I checked to see what one of the guards was doing, and I noticed one of them was on a cell phone looking directly at me so I kinda knew what the call was about. So I thought to myself, "I wonder how long it would take them to get here through all of this traffic?". Then I thought, "who cares?". I then heard sirens.Theyseemed quite far. As time went by slowly in my mind, Icould hear them getting closer and closer. Next thing I know I see a squad car turn down a street and I thought, "oh there they are". Next thing happened was quite a surprise.
Ready?
A officer came around the corner with his glock 19 drawn pointing at my chest.
LEO1 - TURN AROUND AND PUT YOUR HANDS ON THE WALL!!!
Me - Um, am I under arrest?
LEO1 - PUT YOUR HANDS ON THE WALL!!!
I did what I was told, seeing that I couldn't convince him otherwise. He approached slowly and I wasn't sure who put the cuffs on. Then came the questioning.
LEO1 - What are you doing?
LEO2 - Why are you carrying a gun?
Me - I'm...
LEO1 - Why is it loaded and cocked?
LEO2 - Do you have a permit to carry that?
Me - It's a 1911, it supposed to be carried in cocked and locked and I'm open carrying it, I don't need a permit.
LEO2 - Do you realize you are standing near a bank with a gun? What are you doing?
Me - Now I know you are just doing your job, but I'm not answering your questions without a lawyer present. (at this point I was pissed).
LEO2 - Fine. (he then reaches into my pocket to get my wallet and get my ID)
Me - I didn't consent to you searching me.
LEO2 - I'm getting your ID.
Me - Again, I didn't consent to a search.
(meanwhile the other officer is glaring at my 1911)
Me - I don't consent to the seizure of my firearm.
LEO2 - You know carrying around a gun like this, especially in front of the bank is going to get attention and you got it. And what's with this hat, "Black man with a gun"? You are really looking for attention.
Me - I like to exercise my 1st and 2nd Amendment rights. So I'm being detained?
LEO2 - Yup.
Me - And why am I in cuffs again? I didn't do anything illegal.
LEO2 - For our safety.
Me - And mine.
LEO2 - You know that if you even cover up your firearm, it would be concealed and we could arrest you.
Me - Yeah....and that's why I'm carrying it openly.
While LEO2 when to "check my papers", I tried to make small talk with LEO1. Asking him how was his day going, what caliber glock do you guys carry, general stuff. And I could tell he wasn't happy. I felt that he KNEW I wasn't doing anything wrong, especially since he was giving me 1 word answers. I then overheard over his radio that the call was for a man carrying in plain sight. So I wanted to ask the ultimate question that I wanted to know the answer to.
Me - So, uh, after you guys let me go, what are you going to do?
LEO1 - :X
My friend came out the building and instructed friend to wait by the car. LEO2 came back and took the cuffs off.
Me - So I'm free to go?
LEO1 & 2 - :X
Me - Thank you officers, have a great day!
Before LEO2 could even gather enough breathe to say something (trying to get in the last word)...
Me - Thank you, have a great day!
LEO2 started to walk me with me trying to get the last word.
LEO2 - You know that there are certain places where you cannot carry that?
Me - Already know that, have a great day!!
LEO2 - :X
Now, I'm going down to the Norfolk Police Admin office to file a complaint and try to get a FOIA. Well see what happens then.
Now...the bad news...
After I got back to the car, I couldn't find my friend. My friend was waiting a block away and down another street. My friend said somethings that made me feel that my friend didn't support me. The things my friend said made me feel that it would have been better to be shot dead than live with the words and actions my friend did. I took my friend home and got into a heated debate. I left with the knowledge that my friend doesn't have my back 100% even thought said friend claimed they did. It's hard knowing that the people who say they support you 100% in anything you do only show 60% action. Not only that, my Dad doesn't support me.
I haven't told him what happened yesterday, but he believes that guns should only be kept in the house. But he's all for going to the range and gun rights. It doesn't make logical sense to me. I don't care what other people think, but it saddens me to hear it from friends and family.
Alas, I won't let the hurt ruin my ways of spreading the word of OC. I will ALWAYS carry openly (with a few exceptions). Unlike those who frown on OC, I'm doing something to educate and desensitize the public.
I welcome all positive and negative feedback.
Thanks in advance!
I wanted to hold off my story until I got it resolved, but I must get it off my chest since I have no one else to talk to. Again this is MY side of the story.
This event occured 6/29/07 approx 4:55pm.
I was going to pick up a friend who works at a bank call center in downtown Norfolk. I decided to park my car at a meter and wait across the street since my car didn't have any AC and it was cooler outside. Of course you know I was OCing. Approximately 5pm, a security guard walked past me. I felt that he was getting a closer look. One minute later, ANOTHER guard walked past me to get a closer look. Now both of these guards didn't look me in the eyes, so I knew deep down, it was going to hit the fan.
I checked to see what one of the guards was doing, and I noticed one of them was on a cell phone looking directly at me so I kinda knew what the call was about. So I thought to myself, "I wonder how long it would take them to get here through all of this traffic?". Then I thought, "who cares?". I then heard sirens.Theyseemed quite far. As time went by slowly in my mind, Icould hear them getting closer and closer. Next thing I know I see a squad car turn down a street and I thought, "oh there they are". Next thing happened was quite a surprise.
Ready?
A officer came around the corner with his glock 19 drawn pointing at my chest.
LEO1 - TURN AROUND AND PUT YOUR HANDS ON THE WALL!!!
Me - Um, am I under arrest?
LEO1 - PUT YOUR HANDS ON THE WALL!!!
I did what I was told, seeing that I couldn't convince him otherwise. He approached slowly and I wasn't sure who put the cuffs on. Then came the questioning.
LEO1 - What are you doing?
LEO2 - Why are you carrying a gun?
Me - I'm...
LEO1 - Why is it loaded and cocked?
LEO2 - Do you have a permit to carry that?
Me - It's a 1911, it supposed to be carried in cocked and locked and I'm open carrying it, I don't need a permit.
LEO2 - Do you realize you are standing near a bank with a gun? What are you doing?
Me - Now I know you are just doing your job, but I'm not answering your questions without a lawyer present. (at this point I was pissed).
LEO2 - Fine. (he then reaches into my pocket to get my wallet and get my ID)
Me - I didn't consent to you searching me.
LEO2 - I'm getting your ID.
Me - Again, I didn't consent to a search.
(meanwhile the other officer is glaring at my 1911)
Me - I don't consent to the seizure of my firearm.
LEO2 - You know carrying around a gun like this, especially in front of the bank is going to get attention and you got it. And what's with this hat, "Black man with a gun"? You are really looking for attention.
Me - I like to exercise my 1st and 2nd Amendment rights. So I'm being detained?
LEO2 - Yup.
Me - And why am I in cuffs again? I didn't do anything illegal.
LEO2 - For our safety.
Me - And mine.
LEO2 - You know that if you even cover up your firearm, it would be concealed and we could arrest you.
Me - Yeah....and that's why I'm carrying it openly.
While LEO2 when to "check my papers", I tried to make small talk with LEO1. Asking him how was his day going, what caliber glock do you guys carry, general stuff. And I could tell he wasn't happy. I felt that he KNEW I wasn't doing anything wrong, especially since he was giving me 1 word answers. I then overheard over his radio that the call was for a man carrying in plain sight. So I wanted to ask the ultimate question that I wanted to know the answer to.
Me - So, uh, after you guys let me go, what are you going to do?
LEO1 - :X
My friend came out the building and instructed friend to wait by the car. LEO2 came back and took the cuffs off.
Me - So I'm free to go?
LEO1 & 2 - :X
Me - Thank you officers, have a great day!
Before LEO2 could even gather enough breathe to say something (trying to get in the last word)...
Me - Thank you, have a great day!
LEO2 started to walk me with me trying to get the last word.
LEO2 - You know that there are certain places where you cannot carry that?
Me - Already know that, have a great day!!
LEO2 - :X
Now, I'm going down to the Norfolk Police Admin office to file a complaint and try to get a FOIA. Well see what happens then.
Now...the bad news...
After I got back to the car, I couldn't find my friend. My friend was waiting a block away and down another street. My friend said somethings that made me feel that my friend didn't support me. The things my friend said made me feel that it would have been better to be shot dead than live with the words and actions my friend did. I took my friend home and got into a heated debate. I left with the knowledge that my friend doesn't have my back 100% even thought said friend claimed they did. It's hard knowing that the people who say they support you 100% in anything you do only show 60% action. Not only that, my Dad doesn't support me.
I haven't told him what happened yesterday, but he believes that guns should only be kept in the house. But he's all for going to the range and gun rights. It doesn't make logical sense to me. I don't care what other people think, but it saddens me to hear it from friends and family.
Alas, I won't let the hurt ruin my ways of spreading the word of OC. I will ALWAYS carry openly (with a few exceptions). Unlike those who frown on OC, I'm doing something to educate and desensitize the public.
I welcome all positive and negative feedback.
Thanks in advance!