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    I was a little surprised this was posted:
    http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed...html#post79094

    Is it me or is this ironic that an LEO makes a perfect case of what's wrong with some LEO's?

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    Please ask that LEO how many times he was dissarmed by a criminal while he was on MP duty OC'ing a handgun. Next, ask him how many people the criminal shot with his gun.

    What an idiot, he's of the "only the police are good enough to carry guns" crowd.



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    Do me a favor and post on there that one of the friendly neighborhood OCDO members says he's a ******, k? k.

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    DreQo wrote:
    Do me a favor and post on there that one of the friendly neighborhood OCDO members says he's a ******, k? k.
    [img]http://www.looptvandfilm.com/blog/******.jpg[/img]

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    Lemme see, a LEO saying that there's a law he mustto obey even though he doesn't like it? Welcome to the club. And he was an MP? Seems like a GI-JOE wanna be that can't stop playing with guns.

    Tell him to get over his whining and learn the law and beware....

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    He takes a similar tone to the self-proclaimed cop who attacked OC on a thread in the Utah section a couple of months back.
    All experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. Thank heaven we do not permit a few to impose anarchy.

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    utbagpiper wrote:
    He takes a similar tone to the self-proclaimed cop who attacked OC on a thread in the Utah section a couple of months back.
    From whence come the Jedi-like powers that copsareautomatically endowed with as to the carriage of defensive weaponry? Somebody, please enlighten me!

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    By his "thinking" (I use the term very loosely here), I should not wave the flag in public as someone might try to take it from me to prove a point. I should not speak out at public meetings as it might offend someone who would later attack me. I should avoid carrying any money because someone might take it from me. The list goes on and on.

    OC, NC (no carry) or CC, it all carries responsibilities. Just like citizenship in a society like our carries responsibilities. If we do not assume those responsibilities then we do not deserve to live in a free society.

    If I resist I may die today, if I do not I will still die at some later time. The latter just allows me more time to pay the price for not having done the former.

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    LE0s are not known for being especially bright. Rather than think through the issue himself, I supect he is justspouting off the party line that someone else gave him.

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    Pa. Patriot wrote:
    I was a little surprised this was posted:
    http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed...html#post79094

    Is it me or is this ironic that an LEO makes a perfect case of what's wrong with some LEO's?
    I don't see anything wrong with the exchange of opinions. Couple of guys are dubious about the value of OC and some people support it.

    One guy got accused of being "condescending" but I think he was just stating his point of view. Which was biased, of course. And wrong. But hardly condescending.

    You know, you never know when a discussion or argument might break out in a discussion forum!

    I favor OC, so I'm not buying the LEO's arguments. But he does have a point about potential disarming of an OCer. We had someone here on this forum who was disarmed forcibly a while back. Luckily it was just a security guard who just walked up to a OCer and took his gun away from him. If it had been a bad guy, it would have been bad.

    Hey, if during a discussion about something that interests many discussants, someone disagrees, then that's generally a good thing. Then, the side that has the best logic, the best premises, the best arguments will prevail. The good ideas will float to the top, like cream. The bad ideas will fall away.

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    Being forcibly disarmed would be kind of difficult if you have the right holster.

    Also, what was that security guard thinking? I would think someone trying to forcibly take your gun (even a security guard) would be asking for some new holes.

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    I checked it out. It would be off-topic to reply so I let it go.

    It might be good to make mental note of his objections. I'll bet the anti-OC police we meet around Virginia have similar objections.

    Heh, heh, heh. Actually we could have some fun with this. Once you realize you're not in danger of being proned out by an idiot cop, just ask "So, whatare your personal objections to open carry?" (With any luck he'll tell you, giving you all you need to for your complaint to showthat he was operating on his bias instead of ignorance.)

    I suggest this because I think sometimes they are "testing" to see how far they can push. Remember, police are allowed to lie.

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    kurtmax_0 wrote:
    Being forcibly disarmed would be kind of difficult if you have the right holster.
    Never rely on "the right holster." Retention training is the better bet, and alertness is always necessary. When you start feeling too safe with the high-retention holster, you let your guard down. As with any part of gun safety, the primary safety device is you.

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    Drewesque wrote:
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    Being forcibly disarmed would be kind of difficult if you have the right holster.
    Never rely on "the right holster." Retention training is the better bet, and alertness is always necessary. When you start feeling too safe with the high-retention holster, you let your guard down. As with any part of gun safety, the primary safety device is you.
    I agree. But using a thumb-break holster would be much riskier than an active retention holster regardless of how much retention training you have.

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    HankT wrote:
    Pa. Patriot wrote:
    I was a little surprised this was posted:
    http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed...html#post79094

    Is it me or is this ironic that an LEO makes a perfect case of what's wrong with some LEO's?
    I don't see anything wrong with the exchange of opinions. Couple of guys are dubious about the value of OC and some people support it.

    One guy got accused of being "condescending" but I think he was just stating his point of view. Which was biased, of course. And wrong. But hardly condescending.

    You know, you never know when a discussion or argument might break out in a discussion forum!

    I favor OC, so I'm not buying the LEO's arguments. But he does have a point about potential disarming of an OCer. We had someone here on this forum who was disarmed forcibly a while back. Luckily it was just a security guard who just walked up to a OCer and took his gun away from him. If it had been a bad guy, it would have been bad.

    Hey, if during a discussion about something that interests many discussants, someone disagrees, then that's generally a good thing. Then, the side that has the best logic, the best premises, the best arguments will prevail. The good ideas will float to the top, like cream. The bad ideas will fall away.
    I'm sorry, I don't recall that incident, could you perhaps refresh my memory?

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    Dont worry about it. After 20 years of service I can tell you that MP's are not police. They are more traffic coordinators. Even thier 190 series regulations dont allow them to do "real" policing

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    danbus wrote:
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    We had someone here on this forum who was disarmed forcibly a while back. Luckily it was just a security guard who just walked up to a OCer and took his gun away from him.
    I'm sorry, I don't recall that incident, could you perhaps refresh my memory?
    Yes, please do. The guy was obviously in condition white if it happened like that.

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    I remember this thread as well. It started as a thread about how a guy was given a hard time at a grocery store open carrying... the way it happened was that a security guard came up behind him while he was checking out and took his gun from him.

    Some searching here should turn it up.

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    HankT wrote:
    Pa. Patriot wrote:
    I was a little surprised this was posted:
    http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed...html#post79094

    Is it me or is this ironic that an LEO makes a perfect case of what's wrong with some LEO's?
    I don't see anything wrong with the exchange of opinions. Couple of guys are dubious about the value of OC and some people support it.

    One guy got accused of being "condescending" but I think he was just stating his point of view. Which was biased, of course. And wrong. But hardly condescending.

    You know, you never know when a discussion or argument might break out in a discussion forum!

    I favor OC, so I'm not buying the LEO's arguments. But he does have a point about potential disarming of an OCer. We had someone here on this forum who was disarmed forcibly a while back. Luckily it was just a security guard who just walked up to a OCer and took his gun away from him. If it had been a bad guy, it would have been bad.

    Hey, if during a discussion about something that interests many discussants, someone disagrees, then that's generally a good thing. Then, the side that has the best logic, the best premises, the best arguments will prevail. The good ideas will float to the top, like cream. The bad ideas will fall away.

    You just HAD to remind me

    Thanks ALOT HankT...:what:

    As I read Your Post I just had a "war" Flash-back of that moment. I thought that my Memory had Erased this Experience, but I was wrong cuz my Blood Pressure just Jumped sky high.

    Yes. I have been back to the same Store at SEVERAL occasions and no Security/Cop-wanna-be "assulting" me and violating ANY of my rights. Not EVEN a LEO.

    I carried a 44Mag Ruger Vaquero 5'5 in a Triple K Deluxe holster with a matching Gunbelt. I did not really do anything cuz I did not want a possible "assulting an Officer" charge hanging in the Air. I saw him coming at me but I didn't feel that a shoot-out would have been the answer either.

    I will see if I can find the Link....

    Here it is...What about the police seeing you?


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    I know this might sound simple, but was the security guard armed?

    If yes, what kind of security guard runs up to someone carrying a gun and attempts to disarm them?

    If no, why not just rotate so your body is between the SG and your gun?

    I'm guessing he might think twice about disarming you, if he would have touse physical force to accomplish his objective.

    Just wondering...

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    Yes, he was armed.

    Just a Glock 26.

    His 9MM v.s my 44Mag. ( 2-3 of his is equal to 1 half of mine)

    I just did NOT wanna make more of the situation than absolutely necessary.

    Could you imaging me being dress in Wranglers, Cowboy Hat and Cowboy Boots being involved in Tussel/Shoot-out with a Glock ArmedSec Guard???:what:...

    The News Channels would have had a Hay-Day with a "WILD WEST" shoot-out @ 5 o'clock News......



    CowBoy up, "Pistol" Pete

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