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    After getting to hear the "puh-TING!" of steel plates as targets, There was a definitive decision to pick up some.

    Having been in there to browse a couple of times, I figured Tractor Supply Co. on 33 in Harrisonburg might have them....

    Didn't think anything of OC'ing with Shayne, "It's TSC, This is one of the LAST places I would expect anyone to have a problem with [OC]."

    Boy was I wrong...

    We go in, make our way around the store, poking at odd bits and ends. In the back corner of the story, we pass by three women, two of whom obviously work there. One I would also presume (wrongly, I found out later) works there.

    We're quickly running out of aisles, and the two workers come up to us, with the third woman skulking behind them.

    Ch: *look of "That guy probably shouldn't be here"* "Excuse me, sir...."

    Me: "Ah, yes ma`am, do you have any half-inch or three-quarter inch steel plate? Perhaps one by one foot?"

    Ch: "Steel plate? No, I wanted to tell you you can't have that here."

    I started to ask her specifically what the reasoning was (I was expecting "OC is illegal!!!one), when Skulker jumps in from behind the three of them...

    Sk: "Do you HAVE a permit for that? That's ILLEGAL!" (original ephasis included)

    Me: "Open carry does not require a permit in Virginia." *thinking "God, here we go...."

    Me: *turn back to the workers Ch and Ni* *start to state that it was not posted,

    A three minute argument with this Skulker (never got her name) ensues.

    Ch and Ni ask us to take our guns outside. I ask if I can simply grab a HiLift Jack I'd seen and leave, as I had no desire to return to the store if I was going to be harassed like that.

    The workers agreed, I thanked them, gave a displeased look to Skulker, grabbed my jack, and waited in line. The girl at the counter was pleasant, but obviously nervous. I'm sure she could hear the and from the front, as it's a pretty open area.

    I meet up with Shayne, who simply went outside and waited in his car. As we were starting to leave the parking lot, and discussing what happened, he commented that someone should probably call the manager, and I asked if he'd wait a minute while I went in, unarmed, and got the names of the three women inside.

    I go in, armed with only a pen and a receipt, they aren't where we left them, but I can hear them behind the rack of car batteries, an employees-only area, which only makes me think EVEN MORE that Skuler works there...

    So, I wait a minute, and Ch, Ni, and Skulker come out. I apologize to Ch and Ni, and explain to them that, because of the actions of their coworker (nodding in Sk's direction), and am immediately interrupted by all three of them that she's a customer, and does not in fact work there.

    So, being that only two of them work there, I try to apologize to Ch and Ni, stating that, based on her actions, I had presumed Skulker worked there, and thanked them for their level-headed actions earlier, and started to say I was still going to need to call someone, as Skulker's actions were quite inappropriate, and I would not shop in a place where I would be harassed like this...

    Ch (apparently the spokesman for the group ) started to tell me something. Skulker, apparently HORRIBLY INSULTED that someone might call her out for being a in public YELLS over the top of them about how VT this, and dangerous that, and how it's not needed in TSC....

    I start to refute some of her points, as before, in the previous encounter, but she continues on the "If I talk over them, they can't prove me wrong" technique....

    Finally fed up with getting interrupted six times in a row, I finally tell her...

    "If you'd quit being a LIBERAL for five seconds, and stop talking over me, perhaps I could say something."

    It's fun being a good foot taller than other people, they
    listen when you speak up.

    Fires of rage burn in Skulker's eyes, she balls her fists, reaches one hand behind her, and starts walking towards me.

    Ch, apparently knowing this woman pretty well, literally grabs Skulker by the shoulders and pulls her back.

    Skulker pretty mutters a lot, and tries to talk over Ch,, Ni and myself as we pretty much ignore her while I talk to Ch and am told the manager is on vacation.

    Ch also told me they'd enquired with the Hburg PD, and the PD told them it was in fact legal.

    I should also note that I lived in Chestnut Ridge, the apartment complex behind TSC. I got to watch a drive-by shooting there right before I moved out early this year.

    So, next week, I'll call TSC, ask for the manager that was on vacation this current week, and... that's going to be fun....

    "I simply will not patronize a business where I am forced to disarm, if there are shootings down the same street, and crazy people trying to physically assault me in your stores."

    On the plus side, I DID manage to get a 48" Hi-Lift jack for under $60....

    This won't discourage me from OC, though. Kind of reminds me of going to a Protest Warrior event.... :celebrate
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    Sounds like Skulker needs anger maagemet classes.

    ETA: I thik my "N" key stopped workig


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    I've got a feeling that "crazy customer" was seconds away from pepper spraying you. Of course it would have been your fault, what with you coming in and threatening them with that inanimate object and all. :P

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    LoveMyCountry wrote:
    I've got a feeling that "crazy customer" was seconds away from pepper spraying you. Of course it would have been your fault, what with you coming in and threatening them with that inanimate object and all. :P

    LoveMyCountry
    And don't foret about VT. (Notice how, everytime there's a shooting, it's where guns are banned)

    How does she know it's not loaded? (Her eyes bugged when I said "I can assure you, these guns are loaded")

    And how could she know if the safety is on? (Never mind an XD has three integrated safeties....)

    How does she know if I bumped it, it wouldn't go off? (Drop safety, as I'd pointed out right before)

    What if they failed? (I almost started to say "What if your brakes fail?", but Ch intervened)
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    Do me a favor? When you talk to the manager let him know that I am waiting on a response to this.

    I have newly aquired a chicken farm. I went to TSC in B'Burg last week to pick up a few items. I am getting ready to upgrade a lot of stuff on my farm. TSC is the closest and at times cheapest source for some items. We are talking about thousands of dollars. I will take my busness elsewhere.

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    I'm guessing she was a friend of one or both the workers.
    "Each worker carried his sword strapped to his side." Nehemiah 4:18

    Guns Save Lives. Paramedics Save Lives. But...
    Paramedics With Guns Scare People!

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    Sounds like "Skulker" was on holiday from Western State. WOW, you did well, sir. I'd say that "Sk" was behind the whole mess and the 2 others just went along and were trying to placate "Sk". The nervousness by the employee was that she knew what "Sk" was probably capable of. If it all works out with TSC, I'd continue carrying , just in case "Sk" shows up again.The Valley just ain't the same, anymore.:X

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    Fires of rage burn in Skulker's eyes, she balls her fists, reaches one hand behind her, and starts walking towards me.
    It sounds to me like Sk thinks people shouldn't carry guns because they might get angry and shoot someone... maybe because if she carried a gun she would get angry and shoot someone.

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    vt357 wrote:
    Fires of rage burn in Skulker's eyes, she balls her fists, reaches one hand behind her, and starts walking towards me.
    It sounds to me like Sk thinks people shouldn't carry guns because they might get angry and shoot someone... maybe because if she carried a gun she would get angry and shoot someone.
    Like most anti's I've encountered she suffers from obvious projection issues.


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    usndoc wrote:
    Do me a favor?* When you talk to the manager let him know that I am waiting on a response to this.
    I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt, and say this was all Skulker's fault. Just 'cause I'm nice like that.

    That being said, OC at your local TSC, and see what happens, or even call yours, and ask for the manager. If they say know, be sure to let 'em know you'll be updating the VCDL. :X

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    Paramedic, the woman obviously was, if she didn't work there, because she was in an employee-only section (which I will make mention of, to find out if she works there or not)

    ....

    And really, I think I could've handled the situation better, but, we've all got to get our first confrontation in sometime, right? :P
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    Hmm. Need to get groceries. Wasn't going to OC, but now I'm a little PO'ed, and hard-headed.

    Thanks for the uplift, guys.

    Now, where's my belt....
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Wooley wrote:
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    And really, I think I could've handled the situation better...SNIP
    Yeah, you could have devastated her with an elbow while she reached for a yet unseen weapon.

    the first time i left it alone the second is too much to take.


    Yeah that sounds like a real smart course of action. larger taller gun toting male slams admittedly stupid and obnoxiousbut smaller female to the ground and goes to jail for assault (even if he is found innocent or not charged big hassle) when he obviously did the right thing as is. She looked like the goof not abno.

    i guess you'd bust her in the head with your crenelated flash light after puting her in an arm bar an tossing her to the floor.

    did you think even for a second that this idiot was bluffing trying to get just the sort of reaction that you would seem to be more than willing to provide. guy with gun assaults female customer in tractor supply nice headline courtesy of wooley.


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    I agree with 67GT.
    In a situation like this, where the woman is obviously not a 'serious' threat to your well being it would be better to take it. Even if she OC-sprayed you. I would leave and then call the cops. Clear case of assault by her.
    Self defense (to a point) may be justified but may be hard to assert in court.
    In situations like this it's always better to be the victim.
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    Wooley wrote:
    Yes, in a situation like this it would be better to be the victim.

    But what if she was a nut and was CCing? Reach like that and you're eating floor, fight me and I'll dislocate an arm. In all honesty it would be a knee jerk reaction from me. If close enough I'd rather use a non-lethal method to subdue rather than a) draw down, or b) get drawn down on.

    If you see what may very well be presentation of a weapon and you are close enough to stop the draw and eliminate the threat, why not?

    "Officer, she was acting in an aggressive manner and reached behind her back. I closed the distance and controlled her arm until she wasn't a threat."


    In the situation as described by the OP, all of the witnesses would likely say that the OP and Sk were involved in a heated argument. In those circumstances you would have a hard time defending your actions without first attempting to stand down or leave - the whole initial confrontation caveat.

    If a 220 pound dude did that to you, would you just stand there to see what he comes up with? No? Then why a girl? You're not going to be in control of her either when she puts a gun in your face.
    There's also something called disparity of force.

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    You should have called the police and had Skulker arrested for assault when she put her hand behind her back and came at you. It sounds as though you may have been concerned that she was going to strike or spray you. AFAIK, that constitutes assault.

    ETA: First person who calls 911 wins:celebrate

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    Wooley wrote:
    Yes, in a situation like this it would be better to be the victim.

    But what if she was a nut and was CCing? Reach like that and you're eating floor,..."
    I 100% understand where you are coming from.
    Again, I simply disagree. I think it very unlikly she be packing heat (I know, I know, assumptions)
    AND in the eyes of a jury the little lady knocke out by the bid bad (previously OC'ing) badd-ass is a situation I would avoid at all costs (including getting punched, sprayed, etc)


    EDIT to add: Now if it was a man (or a uncle pat female, bigger than me ) I would be more inclined to take your position. Not 100% but maybe 99

    Again, I don't disagree with your logic, jut the application of such to [b]this[/i] situation


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    Pa. Patriot wrote:
    Wooley wrote:
    Yes, in a situation like this it would be better to be the victim.

    But what if she was a nut and was CCing? Reach like that and you're eating floor,..."
    I 100% understand where you are coming from.
    Again, I simply disagree. I think it very unlikly she be packing heat (I know, I know, assumptions)
    AND in the eyes of a jury the little lady knocke out by the bid bad (previously OC'ing) badd-ass is a situation I would avoid at all costs (including getting punched, sprayed, etc)


    EDIT to add: Now if it was a man (or a uncle pat female, bigger than me ) I would be more inclined to take your position. Not 100% but maybe 99

    Again, I don't disagree with your logic, jut the application of such to this situation


    I think I will have to add a +1 to what he said.

    It's not that I think that taking your course of action would be necessarily the wrong one. But it isn't about what you know is right, it's about what you can prove is right. You would be very hard pressed to get a LEO responding to the call to see your side.

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    Wooley wrote:
    I totally get where you guys are coming from too. I'm just not inclined to give someone the chance to get the upper hand so easily.

    If you want to create distance and see what cover is available while preparing to possibly be the 2nd one to draw thats cool too. ...
    In the end, and not having been in the OP's situation, I would think this is exactly the correct line of reaction given what we know about the situation via 3rd party story.

    Retreat first, if able. If need be defend yourself (or not depending on the situation such as a knife vs. 109lb backed fist, oc spray, etc)


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    Well, as I'd said, by the time I noticed her hand going back (I was working on keeping eye contact, usually works well when it's coming from above), Ch had already grabbed her, and for me to do anything to Skulker would've required knocking Ch (a pretty nice little old lady) over, or at least out of the way.

    Probably wouldn't have helped my case any....

    That being said, I did just get back from Target and Auto Zone. :what: There were piles of bodies in the streets, mayhem and people getting shot left and right. Gutters flowed red with blood.....

    Wait..... no they didn't. I got my milk, sandwhich makings, a couple of cans of fruit, drove back across town, picked up some jack stands and a pair of 10mm socket heads. Then I came back here and made a sandwich.
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    Wait..... no they didn't. I got my milk, sandwhich makings, a couple of cans of fruit, drove back across town, picked up some jack stands and a pair of 10mm socket heads. Then I came back here and made a sandwich.
    WTH kind of sandwich did you make that required some jack stands and a pair of 10mm socket heads? :shock:

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    WTH kind of sandwich did you make that required some jack stands and a pair of 10mm socket heads?
    Gotta be a Dagwood!:celebrate

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    DoubleR wrote:
    WTH kind of sandwich did you make that required some jack stands and a pair of 10mm socket heads?
    Gotta be a Dagwood!
    Yeah, baby!



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    vrwmiller wrote:
    AbNo wrote:
    Wait..... no they didn't. I got my milk, sandwhich makings, a couple of cans of fruit, drove back across town, picked up some jack stands and a pair of 10mm socket heads. Then I came back here and made a sandwich.
    WTH kind of sandwich did you make that required some jack stands and a pair of 10mm socket heads?* :shock:



    Actually, I've broken a wrench, and two socket heads so far....

    Old bolts in Old Jeeps = broken metal.

    And the sandwich was yummy. :quirky
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Old bolts in old Jeeps should equal use of an impact wrench (electric or pneumatic). Make sure you're careful with it though, don't want the streets to be filled with oil and non-cylindrical pieces of metal. :shock:

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    also never forget the value of the "blue tip" wrench, be it ascetylene or propane.... ocasionally the use of it is required (removed sheared off bolts for rear seat)

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