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    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...robbery13.html

    More proof that gun bans work SO well..

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    W. T. F?

    Bizarre

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    Case of mistaken identity

    "I think I may have come to the wrong house," he said, looking around the patio.

    Wonder how things would have turned out if it had been the right house. Badly I suspect.

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    Easily a case of a bi-polar or otherwise chemically imbalanced individual.

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    bohdi wrote:

    "I think I may have come to the wrong house," he said, looking around the patio.

    Wonder how things would have turned out if it had been the right house. Badly I suspect.
    I think he was simply trying to exit gracefully.

    Actually, I really like the rather odd suggestion made by Cha Cha Rowanto the robber. It was odd but logical at the same time...

    She had nothing to lose by being, um, hospitable.

    Also, the case is interesting because no physical harm befell the occupants of the home. If there'd been another gun in the group, the probability of shooting and injury/death would have been very high.

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    HankT wrote:
    Also, the case is interesting because no physical harm befell the occupants of the home. If there'd been another gun in the group, the probability of shooting and injury/death would have been very high.
    This is just the kind of backhanded comment you're known for. OF COURSE the probability of shooting and death would have been very high. If I or many others had been there, while Cha Cha was offering him a drink the threat would have been neutralized.

    I doubt a glass of wine, a hunk of cheese, and a couple hugs was what he was after that night. Better to have a carpet bill then to have the blood of a neighbor on your hands because he doesn't feel like a hug next time he robs a family in daylight.
    -Unrequited

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    unrequited wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    Also, the case is interesting because no physical harm befell the occupants of the home. If there'd been another gun in the group, the probability of shooting and injury/death would have been very high.
    This is just the kind of backhanded comment you're known for. OF COURSE the probability of shooting and death would have been very high. If I or many others had been there, while Cha Cha was offering him a drink the threat would have been neutralized.

    I doubt a glass of wine, a hunk of cheese, and a couple hugs was what he was after that night. Better to have a carpet bill then to have the blood of a neighbor on your hands because he doesn't feel like a hug next time he robs a family in daylight.
    I don't believe you understood what I said. Much less what I implied.

    I'm just happy that, um, no carpet cleaning bill was incurred. Surely, you can understand that.




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    Lets hope his next victim(s) can talk him out of it too.

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    HankT wrote:
    unrequited wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    Also, the case is interesting because no physical harm befell the occupants of the home. If there'd been another gun in the group, the probability of shooting and injury/death would have been very high.
    This is just the kind of backhanded comment you're known for. OF COURSE the probability of shooting and death would have been very high. If I or many others had been there, while Cha Cha was offering him a drink the threat would have been neutralized.

    I doubt a glass of wine, a hunk of cheese, and a couple hugs was what he was after that night. Better to have a carpet bill then to have the blood of a neighbor on your hands because he doesn't feel like a hug next time he robs a family in daylight.
    I don't believe you understood what I said. Much less what I implied.*

    I'm just happy that, um, no carpet cleaning bill was* incurred. Surely, you can understand that.
    That's not what you've said at all. Don't try and backtalk to save face. Even if I misunderstood you, which wasn't the case here, you have nobody to blame or even feel sorry if you feel misinterpeted, you've earned your reputation, embrace & enjoy it.
    -Unrequited

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    unrequited wrote:
    Even if I misunderstood you, which wasn't the case here, you have nobody to blame or even feel sorry if you feel misinterpeted, you've earned your reputation, embrace & enjoy it.
    If? If? If? IF?

    I don't mind if you misinterpret what I say. I expect you to misinterpret what I say.

    Highly predictable...

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    Bizarre........ Every liberal in the world will be trying this tactic in the future and use as a reason you do not need a gun for self defense......... I'm still not convinced I believe it.
    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

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    VAopencarry wrote:
    Bizarre........ Every liberal in the world will be trying this tactic in the future and use as a reason you do not need a gun for self defense.........
    I highly doubt. Liberals are stupid. But not that stupid.

    I do find it interesting though, ironic, really, that the robbery was aborted in the manner it was. It would be interesting to have had the exact same circumstances, save one: one member of the group having, say a Glock 23 with one in the pipe. Concealed.

    And then to have exactly the same outcome: glass of wine, bits of cheese, more wine, some hugs...then a retreat.....without a shot fired.

    Wouldn't that have been cool!




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    It would be interesting to have had the exact same circumstances, save one: one* member of the group having, say a Glock 23 with one in the pipe. Concealed.

    And then to have* exactly the same outcome: glass of wine, bits of cheese, more wine, some hugs...then a retreat.....without a shot fired.

    Wouldn't that have been cool!
    No. Nobody points a gun to the head of a 14-year-old relative or myself and gets a hug. If that's not the definition of a justifyable shoot, I don't know what is. Your "asininity" is awfully high today, even for you HankT.
    -Unrequited

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    unrequited wrote:
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    It would be interesting to have had the exact same circumstances, save one: one member of the group having, say a Glock 23 with one in the pipe. Concealed.

    And then to have exactly the same outcome: glass of wine, bits of cheese, more wine, some hugs...then a retreat.....without a shot fired.

    Wouldn't that have been cool!
    No. Nobody points a gun to the head of a 14-year-old relative or myself and gets a hug. If that's not the definition of a justifyable shoot, I don't know what is. Your "asininity" is awfully high today, even for you HankT.
    What would you do, Mr. Smarty Pants? Spillit.



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    HankT wrote:
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    No. Nobody points a gun to the head of a 14-year-old relative or myself and gets a hug. If that's not the definition of a justifyable shoot, I don't know what is. Your "asininity" is awfully high today, even for you HankT.
    What would you do, Mr. Smarty Pants? Spill*it.
    learn to read before you put your mouthpoop on the internet for the world to read *sigh*:
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    How about letting him hug the business end of a .45.:shock:

    And then we could just hold hands and sing kumbaya

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    Not to dissuade the gunners here. I think the wine tactic has a chance of working occasionally.

    If he is a dyed-in-the-wool, evil, sociopath, I suspect it won't work. He'll just yell something like, "I didn't ask for your #$&*% wine. Now give me your wallets or the #%*&# dies."

    I think deep down, this robber wasn't completely gone in his humanity yet. Their generosity appealed to it. With any luck, they may have snapped him out of it and he'll turn his life around.

    The British Tommies and the Boches sharing drinks or supper across the trenches on Christmas during WWI would besomewhat of ananalogy.

    It was worth a shot. What else are you going to do with a gun to a teen's head?
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    HankT wrote:
    I do find it interesting though, ironic, really, that the robbery was aborted in the manner it was. It would be interesting to have had the exact same circumstances, save one: one member of the group having, say a Glock 23 with one in the pipe. Concealed.

    And then to have exactly the same outcome: glass of wine, bits of cheese, more wine, some hugs...then a retreat.....without a shot fired.

    Wouldn't that have been cool!
    Except that when the cops showed up, they would have arrested the person with the concealed handgun.

    A very strange story. Fox News suggested that the guy might have been on drugs.

    The things that stood out to me were: 1) It's illegal to have a handgun in DC; 2) It's illegal to be high on drugs; 3) The cops don't have any suspects.

    Boys, you're on your own!

    I agree with Hank T that an openly carried handgun would have escalated this situation. However, this must be a very strange exception and not one to plan your personal protection strategy around.

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    Sometimes strange things happen.

    About 25 years ago, as a college student in Baltimore City, I was going to a Laundromat late at night to retrieve some clothes I had left in a dryer. As I crossed St. Paul Street, a young black an approached me, flicked open a switchblade knife and said he wanted money. I told him (truthfully) I had spent my last dime doing my laundry and had no money on me. He rambled about how "your people" (white people, I guess), in a nearby neighborhood had beat him up. Too young and stupid to run, and not knowing what else to do, I sympathized and said I was afraid to go into that neighborhood myself. He thought that was hilarious. I recall that a couple of other remarks were exchanged, but I can’t remember details. He then asked me what I was carrying in the paper bag I was holding. I replied that it was a jar of peanut butter. “Are you s----ing me?” he said. I pulled out the peanut butter jar, which I was apparently holding in a manner to suggest that it was a bottle of liquor, and he laughed and said, “You’re pretty cool for a white guy.” He put his knife away and said, “I’ll walk with you to the Laundromat. Make sure nobody else messes with you.” Armed robber to my personal bodyguard in less than 2 minutes. I never would have believed it, and still marvel at the event, grateful it turned out so well. (To complete the story, unfortunately “young black man with a knife” in Baltimore City isn’t a particularly helpful or useful description for police and I never saw him again. This incident is one of several that led me to become a gun owner and permit holder, just not in Maryland.)

    So, yes, strange as it is, I believe the story about this wine tasting armed robber is *completely* plausible.

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    My wife and I finally got to sit down and talk about this one. I still think it is BS. Ok, you know the story and the "homeowner/host" missedit all while "walking the dog". This sounds like the classic BS story you'd tell your Mom when something happened and something got broken. Something happened to the homeowner's property, while he/she wasn't there to witness it. Mom is the host in this scenario.

    You and your friends are out back playing and having a good time. Your friend, Sam jumps on Mom's prize petunias and "uh-oh" we're in deep stuff, now. Mom comes out to check on us, 'cause it got awfully quiet - we've all been there...

    Mom: "What happend to my petunias?"
    Johnny: "Well, Mom, this martian landed his spaceship in the flowers"
    Mom: "Do what?"
    Johnny: "Yeah, then he got out and had this scary look in his eyes."
    Rest of group: "Yeah, Mrs. Mom, he ran around us and then pointed his raygun at Smitty and said, 'Give me all of your money, toys and girlie magazines, or Smitty is toast."
    Mom: "Go on..."
    Johnny: "So we were getting all the stuff together to give to the martian, when Dave said to the martian, 'here, have a drink of cool-aid.'
    Dave: " That's right Mrs. Mom. He tasted the cool-aid and said, 'that's mighty fine cool-aid, can I have some more.'
    Johnny: "So we gave him the whole pitcher and he put his ray gun away and thanked us". Then the martian said, 'you guys are all right, can I take the pitcher with me?' And I said, sure, take all you want.
    Mom: "Then what happened?"
    Johnny: "He thanked us and we all had a big hug and realized that it was all a big misunderstanding. He didn't really mean to harm us or scare us. He just got into his spaceship and took off. Dave told his Mom all about it, you can ask her."
    Mom: "OK, I suppose it is a true story, since you told Dave's Mom about it."
    Johnny: "Thanks Mom, you're the greatest!"
    Mom: "Why didn't the martian SOB fix my petunias?"

    Sound familiar?...




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    Opie wrote:
    I agree with Hank T that an openly carried handgun would have escalated this situation. However, this must be a very strange exception and not one to plan your personal protection strategy around.



    Meeting a threat is not escalating the situation; the "visitor" already did that.

    An open carrier needs a different awareness then perhaps a CCer. The opportunity is when the suspicious visitor enters the back gate. At which time the openly carried sidearm is seen by the "visitor" and he departs quickly, which I think is a reasonable possibility, or the OCer uses the tactical advantage to draw unencumbered byshirts, vests,or bagsand assess the intentions of the "visitor", acting according to the threat before the gun is pointed at the head of the 14yo.

    I see the CCer at a disadvantage in this situation. A fast furtive movement for a concealed gun and that only after deciding to act willget the attentionof the "visitor" who is now closer and pointing a gun at the head of the 14yo. The fact that the gun is concealed may give the CCer cause to pause and loose the opportunity an OCer might feel compelled to use. And if the CCer decides to act at the same time the OCer would have he is now having to deal with drawing from concealment.

    Hank, what ifs are useless as the visitor might just as easily started to shoot when offered wine. Personally, I'm engaging that threat at the first opportunity.






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    unrequited wrote:
    HankT wrote:
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    No. Nobody points a gun to the head of a 14-year-old relative or myself and gets a hug. If that's not the definition of a justifyable shoot, I don't know what is. Your "asininity" is awfully high today, even for you HankT.
    What would you do, Mr. Smarty Pants? Spillit.
    learn to read before you put your mouthpoop on the internet for the world to read *sigh*:
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...o=51547#p51547
    Oh. You're saying "no comment," eh?

    Cat got your tongue again?

    I wonder why you would be so reticient to say what you would do in the given scenario? It's a (devilishly) simple scenario...what would you have done, un?

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    HankT wrote:
    unrequited wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    unrequited wrote:
    No. Nobody points a gun to the head of a 14-year-old relative or myself and gets a hug. If that's not the definition of a justifyable shoot, I don't know what is. Your "asininity" is awfully high today, even for you HankT.
    What would you do, Mr. Smarty Pants? Spill*it.
    learn to read before you put your mouthpoop on the internet for the world to read *sigh*:
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...o=51547#p51547
    Oh. You're saying "no comment," eh?

    Cat got your tongue again?

    I wonder why you would be so reticient to say what you would do in the given scenario? It's a (devilishly) simple scenario...what would you* have done, un?
    Geez, you are thick. From the link:

    If I or many others had been there, while Cha Cha was offering him a drink the threat would have been neutralized.

    Figured you'd be able to click once and read.
    -Unrequited

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    bohdi wrote:
    Case of mistaken identity

    "I think I may have come to the wrong house," he said, looking around the patio.

    Wonder how things would have turned out if it had been the right house. Badly I suspect.
    Why can't Police say this when they BREAK down the door and it's the wrong House

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    unrequited wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    unrequited wrote:
    No. Nobody points a gun to the head of a 14-year-old relative or myself and gets a hug. If that's not the definition of a justifyable shoot, I don't know what is. Your "asininity" is awfully high today, even for you HankT.
    What would you do, Mr. Smarty Pants? Spillit.
    learn to read before you put your mouthpoop on the internet for the world to read *sigh*:
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...o=51547#p51547
    You guys should geta Hotel Room...:what:......

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