Police prepare for terror strikes at local mall

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dngreer wrote:

BIG SHAFE wrote:

You cannot carry at all in Westfield (Belden) mall. No gun signs are posted at all the entrances. So it doesn't matter.:cuss:

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Well, I know one mall I will not be visiting. At least until they take down the signs. They probably won't miss me too much since I haven't been there in a long time. But I think the "no guns/no money" policy isa good one for this mall. Maybe it's time to write some letters to the mall and the stores in the mall?

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Writing a letter of protest/informing of boycottto amall management honcho or store owner/manager is a very good idea. Otherwise, they have noreliable way of knowing what you're doing or whatthe problem is.

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Ya especially if they know they will be stuck with a mad man with a AK-47 for 30 minutes. Consider yourself dead.

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I will drive over to the mall today to verify the signs. I will post later today on what I find.

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I stopped by at lunch and stand corrected. There aren't any no guns signs, I thought the tow away signswere no gun signs from a distance. Although, I did see a no guns signs on the doors for the dentists office that is a part of the mall.

Belden Westfield is not a gun free zone



Sorry guys.:banghead:

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BIG SHAFE wrote:

I stopped by at lunch and stand corrected. There aren't any no guns signs, I thought the tow away signswere no gun signs from a distance. Although, I did see a no guns signs on the doors for the dentists office that is a part of the mall.

Belden Westfield is not a gun free zone



Sorry guys.:banghead:

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This is correct. I checked the entrances to the parking lot and the building and there are no "No Weapons" signs.

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That's good news! Saved me some letter writing! I'll try OCing next time I go. That could be years away, because I have better things to do than fight through crowds of mall groupies. Since they don't have signs posted, I hope the security has been informed that they are not supposed to shoot anyone that happens to have a gun on them.

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I have had several non-experiences with OC in malls, and one bad experience.

The bad experience was mostly due to me having missed a "No weapons" line on the rules sign inside the door (small text, 30+ rules on it). This was before CHL passed in Ohio.

An employee in one of the stores called 911. I noticed no other reactions, and later heard that the other employees in the store thought the guy was a jerk for doing it because I wasn't doing anything suspicious.

LEOs and mall security came and verified I wasn't doing anything illegal. Mall security said I could come back but without gun (after forcing me to sign a banned-for-life sheet that they said could be overturned if I talked to the manager, which I did).

Mall never did change its mind. When CHL law passed, they posted their main entrance. I do my best to avoid the place out of principle. It's on its way out of business anyway...

The ironic part is that I had OCed in the same place a week before, and had no problems or reactions. Also OCed in another mall before then w/o any issues too.

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JSK333 wrote:

LEOs and mall security came and verified I wasn't doing anything illegal. Mall security said I could come back but without gun (after forcing me to sign a banned-for-life sheet that they said could be overturned if I talked to the manager, which I did).

Mall never did change its mind.

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How did they force you to sign the sheet?

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How did they force you to sign the sheet?

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If you look at the sheet, I'm sure you'll see a very shaky X

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kparker wrote:

How did they force you to sign the sheet?

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If you look at the sheet, I'm sure you'll see a very shaky X

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LEOs said "just do it, we'll have your information anyway." Unfortunately, back then my SSN was on my driver's license, which they took to copy my info down. So the Mall has that too. And I haven't been able to get the sheet back.

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JSK333 wrote:

kparker wrote:

How did they force you to sign the sheet?

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If you look at the sheet, I'm sure you'll see a very shaky X

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LEOs said "just do it, we'll have your information anyway." Unfortunately, back then my SSN was on my driver's license, which they took to copy my info down. So the Mall has that too. And I haven't been able to get the sheet back.

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Ah, I see.

Sounds like a good example of what apjonas meant when he said: TheLEO is not your friend.

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Perhaps. I really haven't had any bad run-ins with them.

The only reason I can think of that would allow them to demand it is because of trespassing laws; so they would be able to report me to police if I came back w/o the manager's permission. But that doesn't justify keeping my SSN. Not sure how to proceed there apart from a lawyer...

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You don't ever have to sign anything. In any case, read the fine print first.

-ljp