CA_Libertarian
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A few months ago, claiming to be serving a warrent at my parents' home, the local LEOs found it necessary to point their pistols and shotguns at my 49-yr-old mother and 3-yr-old nephew. No warrent was ever produced at the time of the raid, and the officers told my parents that they were under no obligation "to show them [a warrent] or provide a copy."
The officers also held 2 contracted painters at gunpoint, forcing them to lay on the ground for over 30 minutes, being bitten repeatedly by ants. They were kind enough to only force my mother and nephew to stand in the yard, still being bitten on legs and feet.
During the search, the officers did find the stolen property they were looking for. My brother (who is, literally, mentally retarded) claims he had no knowledge the items were stolen, and cooperated with the LEOs in finding the person that asked him to hold the items.
The officers confiscated the stolen property. They also took every gun in the house and some other property (all of which are legally owned). The officer said that he would bring a receipt for the items in the next couple days - which he never did. To my knowledge, they did get back everything but the stolen property.
I know the LEOs made several procedural mis-steps in this incident. Maybe that's part of the reason they didn't charge my brother with anything (something to the effect of, 'we won't charge you if you ignore these civil/property rights violations'). However, to keep things relavent to these forums, I would like to discuss brandishing.
A few months ago, claiming to be serving a warrent at my parents' home, the local LEOs found it necessary to point their pistols and shotguns at my 49-yr-old mother and 3-yr-old nephew. No warrent was ever produced at the time of the raid, and the officers told my parents that they were under no obligation "to show them [a warrent] or provide a copy."
The officers also held 2 contracted painters at gunpoint, forcing them to lay on the ground for over 30 minutes, being bitten repeatedly by ants. They were kind enough to only force my mother and nephew to stand in the yard, still being bitten on legs and feet.
During the search, the officers did find the stolen property they were looking for. My brother (who is, literally, mentally retarded) claims he had no knowledge the items were stolen, and cooperated with the LEOs in finding the person that asked him to hold the items.
The officers confiscated the stolen property. They also took every gun in the house and some other property (all of which are legally owned). The officer said that he would bring a receipt for the items in the next couple days - which he never did. To my knowledge, they did get back everything but the stolen property.
I know the LEOs made several procedural mis-steps in this incident. Maybe that's part of the reason they didn't charge my brother with anything (something to the effect of, 'we won't charge you if you ignore these civil/property rights violations'). However, to keep things relavent to these forums, I would like to discuss brandishing.
LEOs brandish their firearms so often, that I assume there's some exemption. However, I'm not sure where to find it, and what limitations there are.417. (a) (2) Every person who, except in self-defense, in the presence of any other person, draws or exhibits any firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, in a rude, angry, or threatening manner, or who in any manner, unlawfully uses a firearm in any fight or quarrel is punishable as follows:...