supranite90
Regular Member
But it is my understanding I can put my firearm in the glove box unless on school grounds w/o a CHP?
Am I wrong?
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NoVA (Northern Virginia) - OC reports
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But it is my understanding I can put my firearm in the glove box unless on school grounds w/o a CHP?
Am I wrong?
Correct. As of July 1, 2010, no CHP is needed to have a loaded handgun secured in a container like a glovebox or center console.
Putting a gun in your glove box while "on school grounds" would be illegal. You may legally have already have placed a gun in your glove box if placed there before going onto school property.
Jonesy
Regular Member
Surprising, I open carry in that store about twice a week, never had a problem with staff or Alex police.
I thought that's what he meant too at first, but noticed he said "unless on school grounds."
You are correct in that state law would allow for glovebox carry on K-12 property without a CHP but it does not do a darn thing to exempt you from the federal law.
I got escorted out of Target in Springfield Mall some time ago. Same thing - several (unarmed) security guards; one went all the way to my car and then watched me leave.
I haven't been back either.
Smurfologist
Regular Member
Believe me.......I can place my handgun on my "special" mat and be in an accident; there would not be an incident involving potential missiles. But, I understand your concern and I would not do it if I had one :-}
marshaul
Campaign Veteran
What kind of mat? Where did you buy it?
I'm sure you were OCing at the time, so this is on-topic.
Smurfologist
Regular Member
What kind of mat? Where did you buy it?
I'm sure you were OCing at the time, so this is on-topic.
It a "Jerry-Rig" of a small holster (for my .380) secured on a placemat which is secure. The weapon and placemat does not move around at all.
user
Accomplished Advocate
A subtle distinction, but accurate. Btw, it's still a violation of the federal "gun-free school zone" law unless you have a CHP, you're a cop on duty, etc.
Btw, I take the position that "hidden from common observation" means "not located in such a way that one who's interested and bothers to look would easily see it." Just because it's not obvious doesn't mean it's "hidden". Nevertheless, there are still cops who take the position that if they can't see it as they approach the car from the rear, then it's "hidden". (I reckon to satisfy those people, you'd have to have a roof-rack for the handgun.)
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Contact Dllon Aero - I'm sure they could come up with a solution. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlTQ5uA9Iy8&mode=related&search=
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
cough, cough
Hokie
Lone Star Veteran
OCed at Subway in Herndon. No problems
Captian noob
New member
I've OC'ed there before several time and never had problems with the staff, I know someone that works there and the only thing she asked is "what job do you have that you need a gun." I think what happened is a customer saw me standing in line and freaked out thinking I'm going to rob the place and told the cop.
supranite90
Regular Member
Well I as pretty much OCing most of the day doing random things. Went to Dominos and talked to my Co-workers and got my food for the day, went to Gamestop and bought a game, spent some time with the girl outside because it was nice-ish out, and helped my manager close the store (bc I have no other life except work and the girl) all while carrying....not a single word said about me open carrying
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
Great OC encounter this evening.
The setting: a convience store with two cash registers and few customers.
One clerk, a personable older fella asked about my OCd gun. We chatted about it. A lot actually.
At one point, I'm at his cash register making the transaction. We continue chatting, at his register after the transaction is done.
He's an immigrant, he's a little in disbelief, but not antagonistic to self-defense. In fact he seems interested in obtaining a handgun for home defense. (If anybody knows the cites for legal aliens buying and possessing handguns in VA, please PM me.)
So, I'm explaining the difference between no-permission OC and licensed CC, when the customer at the next register, a total stranger to me, pulls out his CHP to show what the CHP looks like!!
I ask him if he's carrying. Yes, he is. Would he mind showing the clerk by just lifting his T-shirt to show the clerk? Sure. He does!
What are the odds? I'm promoting gun carry and the very next guy in line is carrying, too!
So, I promised the clerk I'd find out whether and how he could go about obtaining a handgun for home-defense, and maybe CC.
The CCer shook my hand on his way out the door, with a big smile on his face.
Tag team gun ownership promotion!
The setting: a convience store with two cash registers and few customers.
One clerk, a personable older fella asked about my OCd gun. We chatted about it. A lot actually.
At one point, I'm at his cash register making the transaction. We continue chatting, at his register after the transaction is done.
He's an immigrant, he's a little in disbelief, but not antagonistic to self-defense. In fact he seems interested in obtaining a handgun for home defense. (If anybody knows the cites for legal aliens buying and possessing handguns in VA, please PM me.)
So, I'm explaining the difference between no-permission OC and licensed CC, when the customer at the next register, a total stranger to me, pulls out his CHP to show what the CHP looks like!!
I ask him if he's carrying. Yes, he is. Would he mind showing the clerk by just lifting his T-shirt to show the clerk? Sure. He does!
What are the odds? I'm promoting gun carry and the very next guy in line is carrying, too!
So, I promised the clerk I'd find out whether and how he could go about obtaining a handgun for home-defense, and maybe CC.
The CCer shook my hand on his way out the door, with a big smile on his face.
Tag team gun ownership promotion!
Tag team gun ownership promotion!
Has happened more often that some people might think. Had it happen numerous times to me.
din2a45
New member
OC for lunch at Jerry's Subs Pizza in Reston. 3rd time in last month. No one seemed to notice.
zoom6zoom
Regular Member
Citizen, I don't believe there are any state restriction as long as it's not considered an "assault rifle", for which the state requires you provide proof of citizenship (a result of the CIA shootings so many years ago).
Federal:
: May aliens legally in the United States buy firearms?
An alien legally in the U.S. may acquire firearms if he has a State of residence. An alien has a State of residence only if he is residing in that State and has resided in a State continuously for at least 90 days prior to the purchase. An alien acquiring firearms from a licensee is required to prove both his identity, by presenting a government-issued photo identification, and his residency with substantiating documentation showing that he has resided in the State continuously for the 90-day period prior to the purchase. Examples of qualifying documentation to prove residency include: utility bills, lease agreements, credit card statements, and pay stubs from the purchaser’s place of employment, if such documents include residential addresses.
See also Item 5, “Sales to Aliens in the United States,” in the General Information section of this publication.
[18 U.S.C. 921, 922(b)(3), (d) and (g), 27 CFR 478.11 and 478.99(a)]
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html#aliens-purchase
VSP lists as "Persons Not Qualified to Obtain a Permit: " for a CHP:
An alien other than an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States.
-so he should be GTG there as well.
Federal:
: May aliens legally in the United States buy firearms?
An alien legally in the U.S. may acquire firearms if he has a State of residence. An alien has a State of residence only if he is residing in that State and has resided in a State continuously for at least 90 days prior to the purchase. An alien acquiring firearms from a licensee is required to prove both his identity, by presenting a government-issued photo identification, and his residency with substantiating documentation showing that he has resided in the State continuously for the 90-day period prior to the purchase. Examples of qualifying documentation to prove residency include: utility bills, lease agreements, credit card statements, and pay stubs from the purchaser’s place of employment, if such documents include residential addresses.
See also Item 5, “Sales to Aliens in the United States,” in the General Information section of this publication.
[18 U.S.C. 921, 922(b)(3), (d) and (g), 27 CFR 478.11 and 478.99(a)]
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html#aliens-purchase
VSP lists as "Persons Not Qualified to Obtain a Permit: " for a CHP:
An alien other than an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States.
-so he should be GTG there as well.
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zoom6zoom said:
Sorry, but I know from personal experience that a non US Citizen CAN purchase an assault firearm in Virginia as I am a Permanent Resident not a US Citizen, and have completed at least one assault firearm purchase.