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HR 2666, You are not going to like this one
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UTOC-45-44
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UTOC-45-44 wrote:
H.R.2666
Title: To provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a record of sale system for those firearms, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Rush, Bobby L. [IL-1] (introduced 6/11/2007) Cosponsors (12)
Latest Major Action: 6/11/2007 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. [line]SUMMARY AS OF:
6/11/2007--Introduced. Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2007 - Amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to prohibit a person from possessing a firearm unless that person has been issued a firearm license under this Act or a state system certified under this Act and such license has not been invalidated or revoked. Prescribes license application, issuance, and renewal requirements.
Prohibits transferring or receiving a qualifying firearm unless the recipient presents a valid firearms license, the license is verified, and the dealer records a tracking authorization number. Prescribes firearms transfer reporting and record keeping requirements. Directs the Attorney General to establish and maintain a federal record of sale system.
Prohibits: (1) transferring a firearm to any person other than a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with national instant criminal background check system requirements, with exceptions; (2) a licensed manufacturer or dealer from failing to comply with reporting and record keeping requirements of this Act; (3) failing to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours; (4) failing to report to the Attorney General an address change within 60 days; or (5) keeping a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammunition for the firearm, knowingly or recklessly disregarding the risk that a child is capable of gaining access, if a child uses the firearm and causes death or serious bodily injury.
Prescribes criminal penalties for violations of firearms provisions covered by this Act.
Directs the Attorney General to: (1) establish and maintain a firearm injury information clearinghouse; (2) conduct continuing studies and investigations of firearm-related deaths and injuries; and (3) collect and maintain current production and sales figures of each licensed manufacturer.
Authorizes the Attorney General to certify state firearm licensing or record of sale systems.
UTOC-45-44 wrote:
Cannot view it
H.R.2666
Title: To provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a record of sale system for those firearms, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Rush, Bobby L. [IL-1] (introduced 6/11/2007) Cosponsors (12)
Latest Major Action: 6/11/2007 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. [line]SUMMARY AS OF:
6/11/2007--Introduced. Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2007 - Amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to prohibit a person from possessing a firearm unless that person has been issued a firearm license under this Act or a state system certified under this Act and such license has not been invalidated or revoked. Prescribes license application, issuance, and renewal requirements.
Prohibits transferring or receiving a qualifying firearm unless the recipient presents a valid firearms license, the license is verified, and the dealer records a tracking authorization number. Prescribes firearms transfer reporting and record keeping requirements. Directs the Attorney General to establish and maintain a federal record of sale system.
Prohibits: (1) transferring a firearm to any person other than a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with national instant criminal background check system requirements, with exceptions; (2) a licensed manufacturer or dealer from failing to comply with reporting and record keeping requirements of this Act; (3) failing to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours; (4) failing to report to the Attorney General an address change within 60 days; or (5) keeping a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammunition for the firearm, knowingly or recklessly disregarding the risk that a child is capable of gaining access, if a child uses the firearm and causes death or serious bodily injury.
Prescribes criminal penalties for violations of firearms provisions covered by this Act.
Directs the Attorney General to: (1) establish and maintain a firearm injury information clearinghouse; (2) conduct continuing studies and investigations of firearm-related deaths and injuries; and (3) collect and maintain current production and sales figures of each licensed manufacturer.
Authorizes the Attorney General to certify state firearm licensing or record of sale systems.
Kelly J
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UTOC-45-44 wrote:
UTOC-45-44 wrote:
I corrected the link it worked at first then didn't, it should now work.Cannot view it
UTOC-45-44
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Tess wrote:
Thank you Tess
AFTER reading it I wish I couldn't view it:X.
I CANNOT BELIEVE this bill. Gun owners are just getting Bill after Bill thrown at us. I think they are trying to get us of our Game so that we cannot recover fast enough.
We will Conquer
Tess wrote:
UTOC-45-44 wrote:Cannot view it
H.R.2666
Title: To provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a record of sale system for those firearms, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Rush, Bobby L. [IL-1] (introduced 6/11/2007) Cosponsors (12)
Latest Major Action: 6/11/2007 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
[line]
SUMMARY AS OF:
6/11/2007--Introduced. Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2007 - Amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to prohibit a person from possessing a firearm unless that person has been issued a firearm license under this Act or a state system certified under this Act and such license has not been invalidated or revoked. Prescribes license application, issuance, and renewal requirements.
Prohibits transferring or receiving a qualifying firearm unless the recipient presents a valid firearms license, the license is verified, and the dealer records a tracking authorization number. Prescribes firearms transfer reporting and record keeping requirements. Directs the Attorney General to establish and maintain a federal record of sale system.
Prohibits: (1) transferring a firearm to any person other than a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with national instant criminal background check system requirements, with exceptions; (2) a licensed manufacturer or dealer from failing to comply with reporting and record keeping requirements of this Act; (3) failing to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours; (4) failing to report to the Attorney General an address change within 60 days; or (5) keeping a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammunition for the firearm, knowingly or recklessly disregarding the risk that a child is capable of gaining access, if a child uses the firearm and causes death or serious bodily injury.
Prescribes criminal penalties for violations of firearms provisions covered by this Act.
Directs the Attorney General to: (1) establish and maintain a firearm injury information clearinghouse; (2) conduct continuing studies and investigations of firearm-related deaths and injuries; and (3) collect and maintain current production and sales figures of each licensed manufacturer.
Authorizes the Attorney General to certify state firearm licensing or record of sale systems.
Thank you Tess
AFTER reading it I wish I couldn't view it:X.
I CANNOT BELIEVE this bill. Gun owners are just getting Bill after Bill thrown at us. I think they are trying to get us of our Game so that we cannot recover fast enough.
We will Conquer
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Grrrrrr. Where does one even start to pick this apart. I have seen this little bit of language pop up all over the place lately. "failing to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours" or similar.......
Of course there is also the problem of how the government will determine if your firearm storage is what "they" consider safe.
I want my family to be safe. Including when the bad guy comes busting in my back door. Too many times the others idea of safe storage it taken apart, in a locked box with ammo in a seperate room. Common sense says, out of reach of little or inexperienced hands.
Brady bunch would go nuts if they knew how good of a shot my 13 year old son is.
Grrrrrr. Where does one even start to pick this apart. I have seen this little bit of language pop up all over the place lately. "failing to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours" or similar.......
Of course there is also the problem of how the government will determine if your firearm storage is what "they" consider safe.
I want my family to be safe. Including when the bad guy comes busting in my back door. Too many times the others idea of safe storage it taken apart, in a locked box with ammo in a seperate room. Common sense says, out of reach of little or inexperienced hands.
Brady bunch would go nuts if they knew how good of a shot my 13 year old son is.
markheck1
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Little by Little, huh?:banghead:
Little by Little, huh?:banghead:
Tomahawk
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UTOC-45-44 wrote:
UTOC-45-44 wrote:
It's agood strategy. Just keep throwing them up on the wall until one or two stick. The reason we lose at the federal level is because the NRA only plays defense, instead of using the same strategy and getting lots of sponsered pro-gun bills thrown up. And much of congress is very anti-gun to begin with. Even the republicans.
markheck1
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Yup...that's a damn good strategy actually, especially when the facts don't support ya
Yup...that's a damn good strategy actually, especially when the facts don't support ya
Toad
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The bill itself carries the number of the beast. I wonder if the bills number was planed HR 2666 would accurately be HR 2evil.
The bill itself carries the number of the beast. I wonder if the bills number was planed HR 2666 would accurately be HR 2evil.
Kelly J
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Tomahawk, Thank you for that honest assessment of the position the NRA has taken, and you are exactly right they have always played defense, and I know of no game that was ever won without a good offence, as well as a good defense, it seems to always take the two in unison to get a victory.
I agree if they fought as hard to establish a good offensiveattack to garner support for our gun rights other than the standard we represent you after the fact, I would probably be more inclined to get behind them and offer my support, as I am sure a lot more people would do the same.
Excellent point indeed, glad you brought it up, Maybe that is the reason I canceled my membership a while back as all I saw them do was to compromise on this or that never once that I can recall themtaking the bull by the horns, and setting it on the right track, I just new I was not getting the feeling that I was getting my moneys worth from them being my so called representative on the gun issue front, no doubt they have done some good in the past but it seems to me that since Heston left so did a lot of the fire.
Tomahawk, Thank you for that honest assessment of the position the NRA has taken, and you are exactly right they have always played defense, and I know of no game that was ever won without a good offence, as well as a good defense, it seems to always take the two in unison to get a victory.
I agree if they fought as hard to establish a good offensiveattack to garner support for our gun rights other than the standard we represent you after the fact, I would probably be more inclined to get behind them and offer my support, as I am sure a lot more people would do the same.
Excellent point indeed, glad you brought it up, Maybe that is the reason I canceled my membership a while back as all I saw them do was to compromise on this or that never once that I can recall themtaking the bull by the horns, and setting it on the right track, I just new I was not getting the feeling that I was getting my moneys worth from them being my so called representative on the gun issue front, no doubt they have done some good in the past but it seems to me that since Heston left so did a lot of the fire.
AbNo
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Tomahawk wrote:
It sure as hell seems to be working. :cuss:
It's also good to know I'm not the only one fed up with the NRA's inaction.
Tomahawk wrote:
It sure as hell seems to be working. :cuss:
It's also good to know I'm not the only one fed up with the NRA's inaction.
AbNo
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Has anyone considered jumping the NRA's arse about their stagnant inactivity?
I for one plan to, and I'm also going to tell them I will NEVER pay them a damn half-cent coin if they don't start getting more PROactive....
Who's with me?
Has anyone considered jumping the NRA's arse about their stagnant inactivity?
I for one plan to, and I'm also going to tell them I will NEVER pay them a damn half-cent coin if they don't start getting more PROactive....
Who's with me?
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I joined as a life member just last year - before they started pandering to the socialist congress.
I thought about resigning my membership, but decided one can only work from the inside. They certainly won't listen to those who are not members.
So you're on the right track. They need their members - particularly long-term members and life members - to tell them when they go wrong. They rely on our numbers.
The other side of the numbers game, though, is the rabid antis pay attention to the NRA BECAUSE of the numbers. If NRA can't show that power, we also lose.
I've sent messages, but haven't done enough. I'm in.
I joined as a life member just last year - before they started pandering to the socialist congress.
I thought about resigning my membership, but decided one can only work from the inside. They certainly won't listen to those who are not members.
So you're on the right track. They need their members - particularly long-term members and life members - to tell them when they go wrong. They rely on our numbers.
The other side of the numbers game, though, is the rabid antis pay attention to the NRA BECAUSE of the numbers. If NRA can't show that power, we also lose.
I've sent messages, but haven't done enough. I'm in.
spy1
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Kelly J
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AbNo wrote:
AbNo wrote:
I'm with you!
XD Owner
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Sounds like Tomohawk has watched the same video from Front Sight Institute which I did yesterday. Dr. Piazza said that no ground has been won in battle fighting defensively. We need to go on the offense to claw back the gun rights which are our birthright, but which have been eroded little by little over the last 50 years.
Check out www.frontsight.com for info on his free video and firearms training. As soon as I can, I plan to go.
Regards from the desert.
Sounds like Tomohawk has watched the same video from Front Sight Institute which I did yesterday. Dr. Piazza said that no ground has been won in battle fighting defensively. We need to go on the offense to claw back the gun rights which are our birthright, but which have been eroded little by little over the last 50 years.
Check out www.frontsight.com for info on his free video and firearms training. As soon as I can, I plan to go.
Regards from the desert.
Kelly J
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I want to go on record here, that I am not Anti NRA, but I am totally against their compromise policies of late, by late I mean since Heston left.
I'm sure they are doing what they think the membership wants them to do, and the membership is remiss for not voicing their positions if different from the perceived direction the leadership is taking. They are working to keep bad laws under control, but there in lies the problem, and their stance has been for a long time, as noted defensive.
If all the members would simply inform the leadership that it is long past time to be proactive, and aggressive in establishing a real offensive attack on preserving, and protecting the 2[suP]nd[/suP], then maybe the membership would grow by a great number of folks that are like us tired of the constant negative attacks on us as gun people, and the Constitution which is still under attack.
We can no longer allow the far left to have their way and, dictate to us, and the courts, not to mention the mass media, their poison language. They can not keep pointing the finger of blame on an inanimate object as the guilty thing they want everyone to believe it is, a gun is nothing more than a tool, no different than a wrench, hammer, or saw, and just for the record the first recorded murder was not committed by a deranged person with a gun in his hand, threatening the children around the world, by his act.
Back to my point of the NRA, if they would go on the offensive, and put a stop to this BS, I would be proud to support them, and that includes membership, but I do have a problem supporting an org. that I feel is caving in to the enemy by first one then another compromise, on this or that position, I want an Org. that will support the Constitution all the way with out any compromise of any kind, with me it is an all or nothing position.
Long past time to inform the Congress that they work for us not the other way around, and I do honestly believe that the Congress should take a new and binding oath to uphold, protect and defend the Constitution and if that oath is broken for any reason they are out Period no second chance and a new person put in their place, I am long past the point of tolerance of these Traitors in our midst, undermining our Military and degrading our President, it isn't that we can not disagree with him or his policies but there is a Constitutional way to accomplish that and I am not talking about impeachment.
I'm done now!
I want to go on record here, that I am not Anti NRA, but I am totally against their compromise policies of late, by late I mean since Heston left.
I'm sure they are doing what they think the membership wants them to do, and the membership is remiss for not voicing their positions if different from the perceived direction the leadership is taking. They are working to keep bad laws under control, but there in lies the problem, and their stance has been for a long time, as noted defensive.
If all the members would simply inform the leadership that it is long past time to be proactive, and aggressive in establishing a real offensive attack on preserving, and protecting the 2[suP]nd[/suP], then maybe the membership would grow by a great number of folks that are like us tired of the constant negative attacks on us as gun people, and the Constitution which is still under attack.
We can no longer allow the far left to have their way and, dictate to us, and the courts, not to mention the mass media, their poison language. They can not keep pointing the finger of blame on an inanimate object as the guilty thing they want everyone to believe it is, a gun is nothing more than a tool, no different than a wrench, hammer, or saw, and just for the record the first recorded murder was not committed by a deranged person with a gun in his hand, threatening the children around the world, by his act.
Back to my point of the NRA, if they would go on the offensive, and put a stop to this BS, I would be proud to support them, and that includes membership, but I do have a problem supporting an org. that I feel is caving in to the enemy by first one then another compromise, on this or that position, I want an Org. that will support the Constitution all the way with out any compromise of any kind, with me it is an all or nothing position.
Long past time to inform the Congress that they work for us not the other way around, and I do honestly believe that the Congress should take a new and binding oath to uphold, protect and defend the Constitution and if that oath is broken for any reason they are out Period no second chance and a new person put in their place, I am long past the point of tolerance of these Traitors in our midst, undermining our Military and degrading our President, it isn't that we can not disagree with him or his policies but there is a Constitutional way to accomplish that and I am not talking about impeachment.
I'm done now!
Tomahawk
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Tess wrote:
You mean before you noticed that they pander, Tess. Most of us don't figure out the NRA's shortcomings until after we join and start paying more attention to what they really do.
I won't give up my membership, either. NRA is still a useful organization for some stuff, like training and getting people involved in gun sports, and just plain being out front and in the headlines.
But if you want political activism, the local statewide groups seem much more effective. NRA is not a grass roots-oriented organization.
XD Owner wrote:
Nope. I never had to watch any video. I joined the NRA years ago and watched what they did, and more importantly, what they didn't, do. I put two and two together on my own.
Tess wrote:
You mean before you noticed that they pander, Tess. Most of us don't figure out the NRA's shortcomings until after we join and start paying more attention to what they really do.
I won't give up my membership, either. NRA is still a useful organization for some stuff, like training and getting people involved in gun sports, and just plain being out front and in the headlines.
But if you want political activism, the local statewide groups seem much more effective. NRA is not a grass roots-oriented organization.