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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXnK5UyRI&eurl=

    For those of you who haven't seen this video yet, it's making the rounds today. It was posted on Digg and has gotten a TON of hits. The YouTube video is over 11K hits already. The "perps" were well behaved, stood up for their rights, and presented OC in a pretty positive manner.

    Anyway, there has been much discussion in this subforum about digital recorders. In this video, the guy who is openly carrying, upon being approached by police, immediately calls a phone number using his cell phone. That number, apparently, is set to automatically record the conversation. I don't know why I didn't think of this, but that is an awesome idea and no additional expense is required, since most everyone already owns a cell phone. Now, my home phone number has an answering machine, but I know that it is very limited in how much audio it will let you record. I'm going to make a post in the New Hampshire subforum and see if they can tell us how this was accomplished, but I think that this is something we should seriously investigate for ourselves.

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    That was awesome!
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    Very well documented, this guy stood his ground!

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    This guy was the picture of calm, cool, etc. He is obviously a "pro" who's been exercising his rights quite a bit, for years.

    Bravo!

    This video is instructive: what to say, and how to say it.

    The only let down was the LEOs never actually said "you're allowed to OC"


    .... and friend waving the hand in front of the fat cop was LOL

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    Pretty childish conversation regarding this event here:
    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...ght=open+carry

    I expected more from "the high road" but alas, the sheeple gun owners have infiltrated that site too


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    First of all, I am for open carry. However I don't agree with his tactics.I think this guy did not handle the situaton professionally. And his friend was even more unprofessional. He was telling the trooper to stand "normally" instead of in an aggressive stance. I didn't see him in an aggressive stance. It looked like your typical police interview stance that they teach you at the academy. Second the friend was waving his hand in front of the second officer's face. Great way to act professional and help the open carry cause. Third, I don't see any reason to give the police a hard time. Giving the trooper his ID would have been quick and simple. Since OC is legal in NH, all the trooper could have done is check the name and make sure he wasn't a felon so he can OC. Am I the only one who viewed this as a not so positive incident?

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    This is an old post for sure but I'm new here and catching up so... my .02 cents...

    I think that if the goal is to promote OC then he could have had a greater impact being more cooperative with the LEO's.

    If his goal was to get a very entertaining youtube video while exercising his rights (including what info he has to give to LEO's) then that was what he accomplished.

    I would doubt that anyone that is not a fan of OC would see this and say wow I want to be that guy!

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    :X Just relax and cooperate while being raped, then it won't be so hard on you.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    I'm not a big fan of the way they handled the event. If they wanted a semi-entertaining video making OCers look like a bunch of stand-offish whack jobs then they have clearly succeeded. I believe that it is far better to be polite and professional when dealing with the cops then abrasive. This comes from my own personal experiences growing up. I am quite disappointed in the way they acted and this video has taken all OCers back quite a bit. You can bet that this is making the rounds of police departments around the US and his rude actions will have a negative impact in how the cops treat the rest of us.

    There is exercising your right, then there is being a d!ckhead. This man and his friend are the latter in my eyes.

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    I was replying to the just hand over and cooperate,,,,comments.....frustrating.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    We may see cooperation with the LEO's differently but that has nothing to do with Rape.. .as Rape is not a laughing matter...


    unless your raping a clown.

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    I'm pretty sure they didn't use an answering machine to record the call. My guess is they called into a computerized PBX system that was set up to record digitally. Something like that isn't too difficult to do - you just set up a Skype phone number and install something like 3CX on a home/office computer to handle incoming calls.

    There are a few more details involved, but it sounds like something that would definitely be useful for us to have state-wide.

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    brianstone1985 wrote:
    We may see cooperation with the LEO's differently but that has nothing to do with Rape.. .as Rape is not a laughing matter...


    unless your raping a clown.
    MY words are a harsh comparison, but rape is not a laughing matter and neither is our rights. What is rape but a very personal violation of ones self, so I was using hyperbole to point out that just going along and cooperating is not the right thing to do, in my opinion. Some folks just don't get it, just like a rapist if we "cooperate" we enable the LEO to continue their unwanted intrusions. If more people not just gun owners stood up to unlawful stops and questions, the police would make sure they had a RAS instead of bullying law abiding citizens.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    I fully understand your point of view and cant say that I disagree. In my personal opinion I would base my actions and responses, judging by that of the LEO.

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    brianstone1985 wrote:
    I fully understand your point of view and cant say that I disagree. In my personal opinion I would base my actions and responses, judging by that of the LEO.
    I agree to that too. It just seems on most encounters I have had, especially with city cops, the second you try to stand your ground the attitude behind the badge starts up. They don't like being told no.

    I don't mean to paint with too broad of a brush because I have had some positive encounters, a recent one with WSP that was positive.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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