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Inability to retreat - What do you do?

AbNo

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OC related, even though the example I sight, I <strike>can't</strike> am not supposed to carry at work (but probably will when I have something suitable).

It's still a defense question, however....



For those places where retreat is impossible, due to buildings or geographic features, particularly if you live in a state that has a "Duty to Die" law, what do you do?

This came up when I saw a video on Youtube of a hotel worker shooting a robber (three hits, all in the side of the torso!).

This got me thinking.... If someone comes in, intent on robbing the place, I literally have nowhere to go.

I can hide behind a door with no lock.
I can TRY and kick the boss's office door in, while the door behind me remains open and otherwise unsecurable.
I can go into the lobby, RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE THE ROBBER WOULD BE STANDING (door 2).

Aaaaand... that's about it. I even worked up my elite MS Paint skills and made a little floorplan.


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Legend
1> Automatic slide-openentrydoors
2> Cipher-Lock Door (black push-button combo lock) to private work property area
3> Door with non-functioning cipher lock, door is held open 24/7, and unable to be secured, without McGuyver's help.
4> Locked door to seperate office area, opens inward, would be time-consuming to kick through.
 

Bravo_Sierra

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I wouldn't live there. Las Vegas has a "castle Doctrine" and "stand your ground" law that applies to anywhere you are. You do NOT have to run.

IMHO Move :D



If you can't run, unload you mag into the bad guy and run when he's ventilated properly.
 

AbNo

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Well, Virginia's got some pretty sweet laws otherwise.

Now if they'd just keep their :cuss: hands out of my wallet, I'd be a lot happier....

That being said, need to get a decent CC gun next month...
 

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to actually answer your question though: best thing to do is become a moving target, orkick the office door in and try to find some cover.

Here is another suggestion. this is where tool use comes into play. keep a opened master lock on your desk. when you make a retreat, grab the lock. remove your belt and attach the lock to the buckle end. wrap the other end around your hand. You now have a flail. Take a pen and grip it with your thumb supporting the end. hide on the other side of a door. stab him in the neck. Look around the room. every, stapler, hole punch, blunt object of any kind is a potential tool. Take your damn shoelace out and garrote the bastard by surprise if you have to.

Tool use and survival, that's all I'm saying.
 

AbNo

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True enough.

I like the padlock idea, too.

Too bad I have speedlaces. I guess I'd have to suffocate him with old boot smell while strangling. :lol:
 

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Well I would develop some empty hand skills, keep a few heavy paperweights around my desk, and or some other improvised weapons like a fire extinguisher. Not optimal but better than harsh language. A can of pepper spray that shoots a stream may be useful or even a stun gun. This is assuming that those items would be less hazardous to continued employment that a firearm. I think the key thing is to recognize your threats and create a plan for those contingincies.
 

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Fire extinguishers? You think the cheap SOB that paid to have this place put up paid for more than the BARE MINIMUM number of fire extinguishers? :lol:

And actually, I've been thinking about some pepper spray or a stun gun in case some other crazy chick shows up. Crazy women seem to be drawn to me like a magnet.

Stun gun is also a second possibility, in case I get attacked by someone unarmed while OC'ing...

*pulls out a box of capacitors and plastic stock*

No.... this is just asking for legal trouble...
 

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Oh in that case I would definitely get one to keep in the workspace. 20 bucks, the spray is unpleasant to dangerous, makes a heck of a club, and you can put a fire out with it :D.
 

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What do you do?

Have some good wine around. And not that cheap stuff that your landlord drinks. Sure, it's expensive, but make sure it's Château Malescot St.-Exupéry.

Oh, andmaybe have some Camembert cheese in the office fridge...
 
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