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Thanks, TB... I lurk once in a while, but sometimes just can't help jumping in.

HankT - Just what gives you the right to decide anything for someone else? How is that ethical? It isn't. That's the screwed up "ethics" behind all of the prohibitionists.

You'd take the guns "for their own good." You have decided for them what is for their "good." You have decided that they are no longer sovereign individuals, but wards of your benevolent and superior intelligence --- or whatever.

Well, that's exactly the rationale behind everything that has destroyed our liberty, our integrity, our ability to live our lives in peace. In some sick and horrible ways, it's what causes politicians to invade little bitty countries and tell them how to live as well - while killing anyone who doesn't accept their benevolence.

A lot of people decided - FOR US - that we're too stupid or suicidal or childish to be trusted with guns, or alcohol, or cigarettes. As far as the meddlers are concerned, we can't really be trusted to do anything much without their permission and under their guidelines...

Suicide is a terrible thing. As a hospice nurse, I dealt with the subject many times and even experienced the aftermath for families a few times when patients chose to speed up their departure. None of them used guns, but it's not unknown in hospice.

I invite you to take a closer look at suicide today. If you are interested, send me a PM and I'll get some links to you that might help you understand better.

Suicide used to be quite rare in this country. When people were completely responsible for themselves and their families, and free to live their lives as they saw fit, it just didn't happen often.

Contrast that with society today where people have been taught for generations that "somebody else" is responsible, that someone else should and must direct their lives and make major decisions for them. Consider the deliberate destruction of the family, marriage, honor and integrity that has gone on at least since 1860!!

These things and all the other evils of socialist, collectivist imposition on everyone, especially the young people, produce hopelessness, powerlessness and rage. These are the basic cause of suicide, not guns. And taking someone's gun isn't going to change any of it.

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MamaLiberty wrote:

Thanks, TB... I lurk once in a while, but sometimes just can't help jumping in.

HankT - Just what gives you the right to decide anything for someone else? How is that ethical? It isn't. That's the screwed up "ethics" behind all of the prohibitionists.

You'd take the guns "for their own good." You have decided for them what is for their "good." You have decided that they are no longer sovereign individuals, but wards of your benevolent and superior intelligence --- or whatever.

Well, that's exactly the rationale behind everything that has destroyed our liberty, our integrity, our ability to live our lives in peace. In some sick and horrible ways, it's what causes politicians to invade little bitty countries and tell them how to live as well - while killing anyone who doesn't accept their benevolence.

A lot of people decided - FOR US - that we're too stupid or suicidal or childish to be trusted with guns, or alcohol, or cigarettes. As far as the meddlers are concerned, we can't really be trusted to do anything much without their permission and under their guidelines...

Suicide is a terrible thing. As a hospice nurse, I dealt with the subject many times and even experienced the aftermath for families a few times when patients chose to speed up their departure. None of them used guns, but it's not unknown in hospice.

I invite you to take a closer look at suicide today. If you are interested, send me a PM and I'll get some links to you that might help you understand better.

Suicide used to be quite rare in this country. When people were completely responsible for themselves and their families, and free to live their lives as they saw fit, it just didn't happen often.

Contrast that with society today where people have been taught for generations that "somebody else" is responsible, that someone else should and must direct their lives and make major decisions for them. Consider the deliberate destruction of the family, marriage, honor and integrity that has gone on at least since 1860!!

These things and all the other evils of socialist, collectivist imposition on everyone, especially the young people, produce hopelessness, powerlessness and rage. These are the basic cause of suicide, not guns. And taking someone's gun isn't going to change any of it.

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I couldn't have said it better myself. In order to be really happy you have to be in control of your own destiny.

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"Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose!" If you are not free to end your own life can you say that you are 'free' or that your life was ever your own?

Two personal anecdotes do not data make. (Data make?)

Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA KMA$$

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Who told you freedom is another word for nothing left to lose or who are you quoting? Sounds like a sloppy definition to me at best.

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This might sound a little off topic, but isnt animal instinct to survive, is there any animal besides a human being that willfully terminates their life?

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If words mean things, Troll, it is not possible to 'manually detonate a nuclear device.' ....

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Time to lock the thread?

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I was just contributing another humorous example of ensured success when it comes to suicide. You'll notice there were a few preceding my own. I'm not quite sure what I did to provoke your reaction.

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A gun is apopular tool for committing suicide. Also, t's the most successful tool choice for suicides. There are about 16,000 suicides a year that are done with guns.

And the gun is effective. Gunsuicide attemptsare "successful"about 90% of the time. Much greater than all other methods.

If you have someone in your family or someone you care for who is truly suicidal, take away their gun immediately. You will increasetheir chances of survival considerably.

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This might sound a little off topic, but isnt animal instinct to survive, is there any animal besides a human being that willfully terminates their life?

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massltca wrote:

MamaLiberty wrote:

Thanks, TB... I lurk once in a while, but sometimes just can't help jumping in.

HankT - Just what gives you the right to decide anything for someone else? How is that ethical? It isn't. That's the screwed up "ethics" behind all of the prohibitionists.

You'd take the guns "for their own good." You have decided for them what is for their "good." You have decided that they are no longer sovereign individuals, but wards of your benevolent and superior intelligence --- or whatever.

Well, that's exactly the rationale behind everything that has destroyed our liberty, our integrity, our ability to live our lives in peace. In some sick and horrible ways, it's what causes politicians to invade little bitty countries and tell them how to live as well - while killing anyone who doesn't accept their benevolence.

A lot of people decided - FOR US - that we're too stupid or suicidal or childish to be trusted with guns, or alcohol, or cigarettes. As far as the meddlers are concerned, we can't really be trusted to do anything much without their permission and under their guidelines...

Suicide is a terrible thing. As a hospice nurse, I dealt with the subject many times and even experienced the aftermath for families a few times when patients chose to speed up their departure. None of them used guns, but it's not unknown in hospice.

I invite you to take a closer look at suicide today. If you are interested, send me a PM and I'll get some links to you that might help you understand better.

Suicide used to be quite rare in this country. When people were completely responsible for themselves and their families, and free to live their lives as they saw fit, it just didn't happen often.

Contrast that with society today where people have been taught for generations that "somebody else" is responsible, that someone else should and must direct their lives and make major decisions for them. Consider the deliberate destruction of the family, marriage, honor and integrity that has gone on at least since 1860!!

These things and all the other evils of socialist, collectivist imposition on everyone, especially the young people, produce hopelessness, powerlessness and rage. These are the basic cause of suicide, not guns. And taking someone's gun isn't going to change any of it.

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I couldn't have said it better myself. In order to be really happy you have to be in control of your own destiny.

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So in order to be happy you have to kill yourself? I mean you cannot fully be in control of your own fate unless you do I suppose, natural causes, or a car accident would obviously not be of ones choice (in most cases), I think the argument could be made both ways.

The only people I have a problem with who kill themselves are the ones who do it in front of other people and the ones who want to take others with them.

My girlfriends neighbor commited suicide, and he was a loner, nobody knew until it smelled so bad in the summer, he was dead for over a month.

Another chilling story -- a friend of my fathers, his wife was sick and dying I believe it was of cancer... Anyway she asked for her husband to shoot and kill her, he went along with it. He ended up killing her, then called their daughter and said "I just killed your mother now I am going to kill myself, I love you." *Click* Talk about a freaky call, by the time she got there they were both dead, I guess you could say it was out of love in some twisted way, sad, but I guess some people either do not want to deal with any pain, either psychological or physical, or just do not see any other way out...

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As with everything else, we should start with some definitions.

Define "happy"

I wouldn't use that word in this context. A person must be satisfied with his/her life and able to control that life for the greatest mental and physical health. Ownership of our bodies and life is essential to that.

Our society (government "education," welfare, prison for anything and everything...) is set up to destroy individual liberty and self responsibility. We are treated from birth as if we were infants, owned by the government and every group of idiots who claim to know better than we do what to do with our lives and property - and then take all of it away from us at the point of a gun!!!

What is happening in that society shows very strong proof of how destructive that is.
From that powerlessness, hopelessness and anguish come all sorts of crime, violence and murder as well as suicide.

More "laws" and more pressure to conform - from all the nanny state groups that wet their pants if someone has an original thought - are not the answer.

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