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    I'm curious how many people here have a current membership with the NRA. A lot of my buddies own guns but to my knowledge none of them are members. Any thoughts?

    And who do you guys like for president in '08?

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    I have never been a member of any gun organization, although I do support the state parks system by getting range permits and hunting licenses. I have an FFL as well. I might consider joining the NRA for their insurance package deals, but that's about it. I'm personally down on the right-wing line that most gun groups represent, so I'm just an activist in my own small way.

    As for the upcoming elections, I don't consider any candidate of any party worthy to hold office, frankly. That's not the same as indifference - I care a great deal - enough that I don't propose to squander my vote on "lesser evil" as I have done in the past. I may consider boycotting elections altogether until someone who isn't a rank self-aggrandizing ambition-bot runs.

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    JB wrote:
    I'm curious how many people here have a current membership with the NRA. A lot of my buddies own guns but to my knowledge none of them are members. Any thoughts?

    And who do you guys like for president in '08?

    Member for 3? years now. Also member of the Buckeye Firearm Association.

    For president, I am leaning towards Mike Huckabee. He seems to be the best of the worst.There is still tons of time until the election though. I probably won't really decide for sure until the very end.

    I really want John Wayne, or Tommy Franks, or Glenn Beck to be president. I want a normal guy that will tell it like it is and will never speak a bit of this politically correct bullcrap.

    http://mikehuckabeepresident2008.blogspot.com/

    http://mikehuckabee.com/


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    • The Second Amendment is primarily about tyranny and self-defense, not hunting. The Founding Fathers wanted us to be
      able to defend ourselves from our own government, if need be, and from all threats to our lives and property.
    • Second Amendment rights belong to individuals, not cities or states. I oppose gun control based on geography.
    • I consistently opposed banning assault weapons and opposed the Brady Bill.
    • As Governor, I protected gun manufacturers from frivolous law suits.
    • I was the first Governor in the country to have a concealed handgun license.

    No candidate has a stronger, more consistent record on Second Amendment rights than I do. Our Founding Fathers, having endured the tyranny of the British Empire, wanted to guarantee our God-given liberties. They devised our three branches of government and our system of checks and balances. But they were still concerned that the system could fail, and that we might someday face a new tyranny from our own government. They wanted us to be able to defend ourselves, and that's why they gave us the Second Amendment. They knew that a government facing an armed populace was less likely to take away our rights, while a disarmed population wouldn't have much hope. As Ronald Reagan reminded us, "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." Without our Second Amendment rights, all of our other rights aren't inalienable, they're just "on loan" from the government.

    Other candidates say gun control doesn't affect hunting. Now I'm a very avid hunter, but the Second Amendment isn't really about hunting. It's about tyranny and self-defense. The Founding Fathers weren't worried about our being able to bag a duck or a deer, they were worried about our keeping our fundamental freedoms.

    I once saw a bumper sticker that said, "Criminals prefer unarmed victims." Criminals will always find a way to get guns. By disarming our law-abiding citizens, we take away the strongest deterrent to violent criminals - the uncertainty that they don't know who is helpless and who is armed. Our law enforcement officials can't be everywhere, all the time. Lawfully-armed citizens back them up and prevent robberies, rapes, and the murder of innocents. Right after Katrina, with law enforcement non-existent, many victims were able to protect their lives, their homes, and their precious supplies of food and water only because they were armed.

    Other candidates believe gun control should be determined geographically, but Second Amendment rights belong to individuals, not cities or states. Your Second Amendment rights don't change when you change your address.

    Other candidates filed frivolous law suits against gun manufacturers. When I was Governor, I protected gun manufacturers from exactly those types of suits. I allowed former law enforcement officials to carry concealed handguns and removed restrictions on concealed handgun permit holders. I was the first Governor in the country to have a concealed handgun license, and of course I'm a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association.

    Other candidates have supported banning assault weapons. When the federal ban on assault weapons expired in 2004, I said, "May it rest in peace." It won't be returning in the Huckabee Administration.

    Zealously protecting your Second Amendment rights is another way that I will lift all law-abiding Americans up, by consistently championing your right to defend yourself.

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    I am a member of the NRAas well asother Pro Gun groups to help support gun rights in many different areas and states.

    Example Illinois Rifle Association, Buckeye Firearms Assoc, Missouri Sport Shooting assoc...

    I consider all these pro gun groups as part of the 2A Military. Each has it purpose and abilities. And yes, just as in the real military they don't always get along. Together though they can be formidable. And no matter what I shoot, there is some part of the 2A Military covering my butt !



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    I have often wondered why a gun owner wouldn't join the NRA, while at the same timecomplain about the restrictive gun laws.

    The NRA uses the voting power of it's members to influence legislation, roughly about 4 million members. The number of gun owners in the country is about 80 million, can you imagine the restrictions that could be repealed walking into congress with 40 or 50 million voters behind you !!

    You will hear people complain about somethings that the NRA does or doesn't do, but like I said, they can only make an effort to INFLUENCE legislation, the NRA can't vote in congress. It would appear that some people think they can, and fail to renew their memberships or never join at allbecause of a bill that passed or failed to pass. this only weakens the influential power that NRA has, kind like the baby and the bath water thing.

    Don't complain,,,, HELP out in the fight for your 2nd Amendment rights

    I think all gun ownersas well as there family members should be members

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    hlh wrote:
    1st freedom wrote:
    I have often wondered why a gun owner wouldn't join the NRA, while at the same timecomplain about the restrictive gun laws.

    The NRA uses the voting power of it's members to influance legislation, roughly about 4 million members. The number of gun owners in the country is about 8o million, can you imagine the restrictions that could be repealed walking into congress with 40 or 50 million voters behind you !!

    You will hear people complain about somthings that the NRA dose or dosn't do, but like I said, they can only make an effort to INFLUANCE legislation, the NRA can't vote in congress. It would appear that some people think they can, and fail to renew their memberships or never join at allbecause of a bill that passed or failed to pass. this only weakens the influencal power that NRA has, kind like the baby and tha bath water thing.

    Don't complain,,,, HELP out in the fight for your 2nd Amendment rights

    I think all gun ownersas well as there family members should be members
    +1. I've been a member for 20+ years.
    +1. Life member for 10 years!

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    Queue up Doug Hoffman in 5, 4,3, 2, 1...........: GOA, blah blah blah blah......blah .......blah.

    NRA *******



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    The NRA is a giant compromise club.

    constantly seceding groundto the enemy is no way to win a war. You must take the offensive, you must attack current legislation and NEVER introduce more restriction in any way.

    If you want to help the second amendment support the Gun Owners of America (GOA)and the Jews for the Preservation of Firarms Ownership (JPFO). BOTH of whome do not defend it upon some ridiculous sporting pruposes base like the NRA. The JPFO may be even more hardcore about it than the GOA, OPENLY promoting it as a way to oppose government violence in thier pamphlets and handouts and DOCUMENTARIES they create. 'The Gang' is the latest one and its about the ATF.

    As far as a presidential candidate... if you are a no compromise sort of person like me with gun rights and constitutional restrictionsthen the only real choice is Ron Paul... on EITHER side of the aisle. His record trumps all others alive today. PERIOD.


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    thorsmitersaw wrote:
    The NRA is a giant compromise club.

    constantly seceding groundto the enemy is no way to win a war. You must take the offensive, you must attack current legislation and NEVER introduce more restriction in any way.

    If you want to help the second amendment support the Gun Owners of America (GOA)and the Jews for the Preservation of Firarms Ownership (JPFO). BOTH of whome do not defend it upon some ridiculous sporting pruposes base like the NRA. The JPFO may be even more hardcore about it than the GOA, OPENLY promoting it as a way to oppose government violence in thier pamphlets and handouts and DOCUMENTARIES they create. 'The Gang' is the latest one and its about the ATF.

    As far as a presidential candidate... if you are a no compromise sort of person like me with gun rights and constitutional restrictionsthen the only real choice is Ron Paul... on EITHER side of the aisle. His record trumps all others alive today. PERIOD.
    Please list the legislative achievements of either of those groups(GOA and JPFO). Show me three articles in which someone gave credit to the GOA for passing a bill or getting a candidate elected.

    GOA lives by bashing the NRA and thats it.


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    NRA life member. Soon to be GOA life member.

    Ron Paul


    P.S. I agree that GOA is a "better" organization from a principled perspective, but the NRA carries considerable clout. When congress critters are deciding what position to take on an issue, "what does the NRA say?" is a real question many of them ask.

    For that reason, I feel it's important to support the NRA, even if they're not perfect. As a political influence today, they're the strongest we've got. My hope is that the growth of GOA membership will send a message to those of the NRA leadership who have been too quick to compromise in the past.

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    I would have to agree with keepandbear on this one,

    the only aggression i see from the GOA is against the NRA, I don't recall seeing major legislation being pushed by them.

    If you have cut someone down to make your self look good, I really don't thinkhave a whole hell of a lot to offer




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    AsI said, it is a Second AmmendmentMilitary.

    You have your Air Wing, Artillary, Infantry,Navy etc. They don't all do the same thing and usually will beat the crap out of each other when not in a fight. But when it comes time to kick butt, they will be there togehter. Can you only support the artillary part of the Military ? I think not.

    I wonder how many folkscrabbin about the NRA working with x politician to ensure gun owners don't get screwed have ever themselves done anything at all for gun owners in general. Buying a gun or Ammo does not help anyone in the big picture.

    It is not the NRA's job toput up asolopolitical standfor lazy gun owners. But they make the effort bacause very few others are.

    Instead of crabbing at the NRA, crab at your electedreps who don't want you to have semi auto.Send emails and piles of letters.Make the phone calls and find an antigun protest and startyour own progun protest.

    Be a part of many pro gun associations. Just because you live in a state that is progun does not mean the grabbers will stay out once they are finished with the others.




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    hogleg wrote:
    AsI said, it is a Second AmmendmentMilitary.

    You have your Air Wing, Artillary, Infantry,Navy etc. They don't all do the same thing and usually will beat the crap out of each other when not in a fight. But when it comes time to kick butt, they will be there togehter. Can you only support the artillary part of the Military ? I think not.

    I wonder how many folkscrabbin about the NRA working with x politician to ensure gun owners don't get screwed have ever themselves done anything at all for gun owners in general. Buying a gun or Ammo does not help anyone in the big picture.

    It is not the NRA's job toput up asolopolitical standfor lazy gun owners. But they make the effort bacause very few others are.

    Instead of crabbing at the NRA, crab at your electedreps who don't want you to have semi auto.Send emails and piles of letters.Make the phone calls and find an antigun protest and startyour own progun protest.

    Be a part of many pro gun associations. Just because you live in a state that is progun does not mean the grabbers will stay out once they are finished with the others.


    Well put!

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    hogleg wrote:
    AsI said, it is a Second AmmendmentMilitary.

    You have your Air Wing, Artillary, Infantry,Navy etc. They don't all do the same thing and usually will beat the crap out of each other when not in a fight. But when it comes time to kick butt, they will be there togehter. Can you only support the artillary part of the Military ? I think not.

    I wonder how many folkscrabbin about the NRA working with x politician to ensure gun owners don't get screwed have ever themselves done anything at all for gun owners in general. Buying a gun or Ammo does not help anyone in the big picture.

    It is not the NRA's job toput up asolopolitical standfor lazy gun owners. But they make the effort bacause very few others are.

    Instead of crabbing at the NRA, crab at your electedreps who don't want you to have semi auto.Send emails and piles of letters.Make the phone calls and find an antigun protest and startyour own progun protest.

    Be a part of many pro gun associations. Just because you live in a state that is progun does not mean the grabbers will stay out once they are finished with the others.



    I can go with that. I may not like the NRA, and I think they go about it ALL wrong and ignore the fact that the 2nd is about kickin the states ass if it comes to it...It is quite telling that many refer to the NRA as gun rights lite

    But any and all means to an end are welcome. HOPEFULLY the VCDL and GOA and JPFO will become so prominant as to influence the NRA or pressure them to become much more principled then they are now...


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    Sorry, but I can't hold back any more. What is this delusional belief that armed citizens, absent command, control, and communications can hope to stand up (with desirable results) against an organized fighting force, like the US military? If the government becomes tyrranical, then you and I will alike be up against the wall, unless there is a mass-mutiny in the military to back us up.

    Whatever your interpretation of the 2nd amendment, a houswife with a handgun does not "a well-regulated militia" make. The founding fathers may have meant for us to be armed to secure our liberty from internal and/or external tyrrany, but the Man has the Bomb now, and you and I do not. Game, set, match. You will go the way of the Polish Cavalry if you seriously undertake an armed insurrection, justified or otherwise.

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    JB wrote:
    I'm curious how many people here have a current membership with the NRA. A lot of my buddies own guns but to my knowledge none of them are members. Any thoughts?

    And who do you guys like for president in '08?
    Long time member.



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    The main issues that I frequently have with the NRA are (1) compromise their stance on firearms, and (2) They seem to be geared towards hunters. They do have sections of their magazines that discuss self defense, but it seems almost as if it is an afterthought.

    That being said, however, they do carry a large "political stick" and at least they stand up to defend gun rights. I plan on remaining a member. We need every bit of support for guns that we can get, whether I like everything they do, or not.

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    So true......Currently they are the only big gun with thier foot in the door. And that is a big heavydamn door and if it closes we are all in trouble. Does little to have the little guy behind yelling at em for not wearing his spurs!

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    Legba wrote:
    Sorry, but I can't hold back any more. What is this delusional belief that armed citizens, absent command, control, and communications can hope to stand up (with desirable results) against an organized fighting force, like the US military? If the government becomes tyrranical, then you and I will alike be up against the wall, unless there is a mass-mutiny in the military to back us up.

    Whatever your interpretation of the 2nd amendment, a houswife with a handgun does not "a well-regulated militia" make. The founding fathers may have meant for us to be armed to secure our liberty from internal and/or external tyrrany, but the Man has the Bomb now, and you and I do not. Game, set, match. You will go the way of the Polish Cavalry if you seriously undertake an armed insurrection, justified or otherwise.

    -ljp
    +1,000,000,000,000,000

    The founding fathers would have expected a tank in every town, fighter jets at every city, and a town arsenal well stocked with guns and ammo (CONTROLLED BY THE TOWN/LOCAL PEOPLE; NOT THE FEDS)to be able to arm citizens who were already trained to fight.

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    I'm an NRA member and, in fact, just renewed for another two years. I don't think the NRA is perfect, but I think they're the largest group, with the most power, who have the best chance of upholding my second amendment rights.

    I support Ron Paul for the presidency in '08 and am doing everything I can to get him elected. None of the other candidates even come close to his pro-2A record, and if any of the Democrats or Giuliani get in the White House, you can start planning for the next "assault weapons ban".

    As far as citizens standing up to the military...the Iraqi "insurgents" seem to be doing alright. With the right person in the White House, I think a lot of the current, useless laws could be repealed, making militia much stronger. A very pro-gun president could help take some of the stigma away from guns, and maybe get people to return to their roots - arming and taking care of themselves, rather than relying on the government to do it for them. Not to mention that putting our military back into a defensive mode would hopefully make our troops a lot less likely to knock down the doors of our own citizens.

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    The Iraqi "insurgents" are using full-auto guns, RPGs,and IEDs which are prohibited to us - my point exactly. That and a great many had formal military training during their war with Iran.

    -ljp

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    I'ma member of the NRA and support it pretty strongly. The NRA is the greatest, most effective lobbying group in the history of this country. Better than the AMA, Better than AARP. Better than the tobacco lobbyists...,er, OK, the NRA is the greatest single lobbying group in the history of this country.

    There would not be 80 million plus gun owners in the U.S. without the NRA.

    There would not be 250 million-plus guns in the U.S. without the NRA.

    There would not be CC laws in 40+ states without the NRA.

    There would not be stand your ground laws in _?_ states (with more to come) without the NRA.

    Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

    The NRA-bashers (spit!) that pop up to bitch and moan when the NRA fails again to support full auto machine guns for everyone including felons.are detestable. Doug Huffman-types don't understand that somebody on the national (and international, lately) scene has to play the adults in dealing with legislators, legislatures, and legislation in strategic contexts for all gun-owning constituencies. The NRA-natterers (spit!) who ungratefully enjoy the fruits of several decades of NRA successes are, more-often than not, just simplistic-minded freeloaders(spit!).

    Too early to tell on the presidential campaign. Ron Paul has nearly perfect positions on gun issues. But he is a loon on almost all other issues. I wouldn't vote for him as dogcatcher in Doug Huffman's county (spit!).

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    Keepandbear wrote:
    thorsmitersaw wrote:
    The NRA is a giant compromise club.

    constantly seceding groundto the enemy is no way to win a war. You must take the offensive, you must attack current legislation and NEVER introduce more restriction in any way.

    If you want to help the second amendment support the Gun Owners of America (GOA)and the Jews for the Preservation of Firarms Ownership (JPFO). BOTH of whome do not defend it upon some ridiculous sporting pruposes base like the NRA. The JPFO may be even more hardcore about it than the GOA, OPENLY promoting it as a way to oppose government violence in thier pamphlets and handouts and DOCUMENTARIES they create. 'The Gang' is the latest one and its about the ATF.

    As far as a presidential candidate... if you are a no compromise sort of person like me with gun rights and constitutional restrictionsthen the only real choice is Ron Paul... on EITHER side of the aisle. His record trumps all others alive today. PERIOD.
    Please list the legislative achievements of either of those groups(GOA and JPFO). Show me three articles in which someone gave credit to the GOA for passing a bill or getting a candidate elected.

    GOA lives by bashing the NRA and thats it.
    Why dont you try to defend the search and approval crap the NRA allows and its approval of the ATF and its support for present gun laws? Anyone who supports the laws in place is not taking ground, they are only defending current losses.

    The GOA and the JPFO give alot of resources to contact and link with locals and officials on many levels. They helps cut to the heart of legislation and makes sure its supporters know of is. They help fight court battles. And the JPFO creates alot of literature and movies which they have screned in a few places. The GOA makes NUMEROUS television and radioapperances. Many things the NRA ignores or supports, often times the only lobbying power to stop it is heard from these two groups! like the so-called juvenile crime bill. The NRA endorsed Bush for president... what a great success for gun rights hes been!I dont see the NRA doing anything to raech young people or educate anyone outside of its own members either like the JPFO does.

    WE NEED TO TAKE THE OFFENSE. If the NRA is a army, then the JPFO and the GOA are the special forces!

    interesting read here about how the NRA might be SCREWING **** up!:

    http://www.reason.com/blog/show/119457.html



    but its mainly about principle, which the NRA obviously lacks. I contribute to all three organizations but not so much to the NRA becauseI would rather give purists my money to attempt to make them into more of a force to be reconed with than contribute to a well established gun rights lite group.

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    I am not an NRA member (yet)

    Honestly I just haven't gotten around to figuring out what I have to do to sign up.

    And as for president... RON PAUL!!!:celebrate

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    Regarding civian gun use versus tyranny: Imagine if only 1% of the gun owning adults in this country decided that cancellation of second amendment rights and confiscation of all civilian firearms was just too much. Even absent any coordinated or centralized command/control, imagine if each such person decided to take out just one government thug before buying the farm himself. That would cause 2 million casualties...more than in all our wars combined! If you think radical leftists aren't concerned about this possibility, you have to ask yourself why it is always one of the first things a tyrannical tinpot does when grabbing power. When the Gang of Five tried the coup against Gorbachev, one of their first edicts was that all hunters had to turn in thier hunting rifles to the police immediately. This was in the Soviet Union for God's sake! The number of (registered) rifles was miniscule from a tactical point of view but they still considered it a top priority. WHY???

    Even a small number of citizens with arms is a significant threat to anti-freedom zealots. Perhaps the threat is more psychological than tactical, but significant nonetheless.

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