Keepandbear wrote:
thorsmitersaw wrote:
Keepandbear wrote:
thorsmitersaw wrote:
The NRA is a giant compromise club.
constantly seceding groundto the enemy is no way to win a war. You must take the offensive, you must attack current legislation and NEVER introduce more restriction in any way.
If you want to help the second amendment support the Gun Owners of America (GOA)and the Jews for the Preservation of Firarms Ownership (JPFO). BOTH of whome do not defend it upon some ridiculous sporting pruposes base like the NRA. The JPFO may be even more hardcore about it than the GOA, OPENLY promoting it as a way to oppose government violence in thier pamphlets and handouts and DOCUMENTARIES they create. 'The Gang' is the latest one and its about the ATF.
As far as a presidential candidate... if you are a no compromise sort of person like me with gun rights and constitutional restrictionsthen the only real choice is Ron Paul... on EITHER side of the aisle. His record trumps all others alive today. PERIOD.
Please list the legislative achievements of either of those groups(GOA and JPFO). Show me three articles in which someone gave credit to the GOA for passing a bill or getting a candidate elected.
GOA lives by bashing the NRA and thats it.
Why dont you try to defend the search and approval crap the NRA allows and its approval of the ATF and its support for present gun laws? Anyone who supports the laws in place is not taking ground, they are only defending current losses.
The GOA and the JPFO give alot of resources to contact and link with locals and officials on many levels. They helps cut to the heart of legislation and makes sure its supporters know of is. They help fight court battles. And the JPFO creates alot of literature and movies which they have screned in a few places. The GOA makes NUMEROUS television and radioapperances. Many things the NRA ignores or supports, often times the only lobbying power to stop it is heard from these two groups! like the so-called juvenile crime bill. The NRA endorsed Bush for president... what a great success for gun rights hes been!I dont see the NRA doing anything to raech young people or educate anyone outside of its own members either like the JPFO does.
WE NEED TO TAKE THE OFFENSE. If the NRA is a army, then the JPFO and the GOA are the special forces!
interesting read here about how the NRA might be SCREWING shit up!:
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/119457.html
but its mainly about principle, which the NRA obviously lacks. I contribute to all three organizations but not so much to the NRA becauseI would rather give purists my money to attempt to make them into more of a force to be reconed with than contribute to a well established gun rights lite group.
Way to not address the challenge I presented. I'll address your challenge upon you answering mine.
Oh and Bush has done nothing for gun rights?!?! Maybe we should have gone with McCain or Gore instead:banghead:? Bush has only appointed two judges to the Supreme Court and that only has a 10-20 year effect? What about the Commerce in LawfulArms Act? What about the the Police Officer Carry Act? What about the descrustion of federal firearms records?
and his support of a federal "asault weapons "firearms ban?
how about his "patriot" act?
Attorney General, John Ashcroft, boasted of increasing resources to enforce gun control
"when gun owners submitted a Petition for the Enforcement of the Second Amendment, the Bush Administration attempted to intimidate them by only responding through the head of the Terrorism and Violent Crime Section of the Justice Department"
"...Judge Reggie B. Walton, of the D.C. District Court, tells us that the Second Amendment is not an individual right in Seegars v. Ashcroft. The Bush Administration opposed Supreme Court review of U.S. v. Emerson, with Assistant U.S. Attorney William B. Majeta claiming in open court that there is no individual Constitutional right to own firearms, the result of the Bush Administration's actions being that Dr. Tim Emerson was convicted of merely possessing a firearm while under a customary restraining order issued during his divorce. And Bush's Solicitor General, Ted Olson, aggressively prosecuted the case of U.S. v. Thomas Lamar Bean, permanently stripping Bean of his Second Amendment rights, merely for accidentally carrying a box of .22 shells across the Mexican border. "
![roflmao1[2].gif](/data/attachments/0/287-f2716977bf947314ddea03072067c852.jpg){kind=small}
