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    http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987




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    Shocking KSLA 12 news report confirms story we broke last year, Pastors to cite Romans 13 as reason for public to obey government orders, relinquish guns and be taken to camps during state of emergency
    Paul Joseph Watson
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    Thursday, August 16, 2007

    A shocking KSLA news report has confirmed the story we first broke last year, that Clergy Response Teams are being trained by the federal government to "quell dissent" and pacify citizens to obey the government in the event of a declaration of martial law.

    In May 2006, we exposed the existence of a nationwide FEMA program which is training Pastors and other religious representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation.

    A whistleblower who was secretly enrolled into the program told us that the feds were clandestinely recruiting religious leaders to help implement Homeland Security directives in anticipation of a potential bio-terrorist attack, any natural disaster or a nationally declared emergency.

    The first directive was for Pastors to preach to their congregations Romans 13, the often taken out of context bible passage that was used by Hitler to hoodwink Christians into supporting him, in order to teach them to "obey the government" when martial law is declared.

    It was related to the Pastors that quarantines, martial law and forced relocation were a problem for state authorities when enforcing federal mandates due to the "cowboy mentality" of citizens standing up for their property and second amendment rights as well as farmers defending their crops and livestock from seizure.

    It was stressed that the Pastors needed to preach subservience to the authorities ahead of time in preparation for the round-ups and to make it clear to the congregation that "this is for their own good."

    Pastors were told that they would be backed up by law enforcement in controlling uncooperative individuals and that they would even lead SWAT teams in attempting to quell resistance.

    Though some doubted the accuracy of this report at the time due to its fundamentally disturbing implications, the story has now been confirmed by a KSLA 12 news report, in which participating clergy and officials admit to the existence of the program.

    The report entertains the scenario of martial law as depicted in the movie The Siege and states that "quelling dissent would be critical."

    Dr. Durell Tuberville serves as chaplain for the Shreveport Fire Department and the Caddo Sheriff's Office. Tuberville said of the clergy team's mission, "the primary thing that we say to anybody is, 'let's cooperate and get this thing over with and then we'll settle the differences once the crisis is over.'"

    Such clergy response teams would walk a tight-rope during martial law between the demands of the government on the one side, versus the wishes of the public on the other. "In a lot of cases, these clergy would already be known in the neighborhoods in which they're helping to diffuse that situation," assured Sandy Davis. He serves as the director of the Caddo-Bossier Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness.

    For the clergy team, one of the biggest tools that they will have in helping calm the public down or to obey the law is the bible itself, specifically Romans 13. Dr. Tuberville elaborated, "because the government's established by the Lord, you know. And, that's what we believe in the Christian faith. That's what's stated in the scripture."

    So there you have it - Homeland Security are working with local police departments and religious leaders to prepare for the declaration of martial law and in particular developing techniques they will employ during the crisis to "quell dissent."

    Phony Christian leaders are brainwashing their congregations to accept the premise that the totalitarian police state is "of the Lord" and that they should get on their knees and lick jackboots while the round-ups take place as citizens are processed into quarantine zones and detention camps by the National Guard and U.S. troops returning from Iraq.

    The precedent for mass gun confiscation and martial law in times of a real or manufactured emergency was set during Hurricane Katrina, when police and National Guard patrols forced home owners - even in areas unaffected by the hurricane - to hand over their legally owned firearms at gunpoint.

    This is a clear precursor for the imminent declaration of a state of emergency, a scenario that President Bush codified in his recent Presidential Decision Directive of May 9th, which states in the event of a "catastrophic event" the President can take total control over the government and the country, bypassing all other levels of government at the state, federal, local, territorial and tribal levels, and thus ensuring total unprecedented dictatorial power.

    The scope of the program is so secretive that even Homeland Security Committee member and Congressman Peter DeFazio was denied access to view the classified portion of the documents.

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    I need a smiley face where the head explodes! Screw the clergy, you can pry my guns out of my cold dead hands...

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    I belive I would be standing next to my pastor as he said "from my cold dead hands" and I use his sholder as a gun rest for the really long ones

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    44Brent wrote:
    ...The first directive was for Pastors to preach to their congregations Romans 13...
    Romans 13 does counsel the early Church to follow the true ministers of the Lord, but the true ministers of the Lord would know and understand 1 Timothy 5:8 and know that it is our obligation to take care of our own, which include our responsibility for their safety.

    To this I say "Lay on McDuff, and damned be him who first cries, hold enough!" (Shakespeare)
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    The various Christian Churches have been instuments of tyrrany more than not, historically, so I, for one, am not surprised. That's just another uniform on just another dead guy in my front yard when it hits the fan...

    -ljp

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    Interesting to note that no one seems to have asked the question of "WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT DOING THIS?"

    If you spend some time chewing on this, you may come up with an answer that you find to not be very appealing. (Hint: Think back to WWII and Jewish Rabbis encouraging their people to cooperate with the Germans by getting on the trains).

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    Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    tarzan1888 wrote:
    44Brent wrote:
    ...The first directive was for Pastors to preach to their congregations Romans 13...
    Romans 13 does counsel the early Church to follow the true ministers of the Lord, but the true ministers of the Lord would know and understand 1 Timothy 5:8 and know that it is our obligation to take care of our own, which include our responsibility for their safety.

    To this I say "Lay on McDuff, and damned be him who first cries, hold enough!" (Shakespeare)
    Amen, We need more ministers like Rev. Caldwell instead of the Jacksons and Sharptons

    Reverend James Caldwell, Chaplain of Colonel Elias Dayton’s Regiment, whose wife had been murdered by a British scout 16 days before, passed out the Isaac Watts Hymnals from the Presbyterian Church for use as Musket wadding. His cry of “Give Them Watts, Boys”, has lived on the become a Motto of that conflict.



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    44Brent wrote:
    Interesting to note that no one seems to have asked the question of "WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT DOING THIS?"
    That's like asking why wolves kill and eat sheep. Same answer: It's in their nature.

    I've heard this report somewhere else a few years ago.

    These are scary times we live in. Take care of yourself.



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    There is a storm brewing.
    The results of martial law will change the USA permenantly. Better or worse.



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    I'd usua;;y take prison planet stuff with a grain of salt but I guess they were right.
    I'm kinda shocked that the Posse Comitatus Act expires on Oct 7 this year. I did not realize they sneaked that past us last year.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

    In early 2006, the 109th Congress passed a controversial bill which grants the President the right to commandeer Federal or even State National Guard Troops and use them inside the United States. This bill, entitled the John Warner Defense Appropriation Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122.ENR), contains a provision, (Section 1076) which allows the President to:
    “...employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to...
    restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States..., where the President determines that,...domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy...” [3] Senator Patrick Leahy and others have condemned Section 1076 because it effectively nullifies the Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C. 331-335) and gives the President the legal ability to define under what conditions martial law may be declared. [4]
    H.R.5122 was signed into law by President Bush on October 17, 2006, and will take effect October 1, 2007 (unless an earlier effective date is established by regulation). "On the same day, Bush signed the Military Commissions Act of 2006, which abolishes the legal protection of habeas corpus, authorizes the president to detain and jail anyone (even US citizens) without charge and subject them to harsh interrogation that may or may not involve torture." [5]

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    This whole ordeal is seriously something to be scared of.

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    Figures that POS law has good ole' John Warner's name plastered on the front.

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    The problem with all this is:

    People are going to shoot first and ask questions later because of the Katrina precedent. I imagine many citizens and police/military dieing during the next 'disaster'.

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    Still, no one has asked questions about the bigger picture of what is going on, so, I'll try to get you thinking a little bit with the following article which was cached from the Family Security Matters web site.http://tinyurl.com/2x59mg

    Exclusive: Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy
    Philip Atkinson

    Author: Philip Atkinson
    Source: The Family Security Foundation, Inc.
    Date: August 3, 2007

    While democratic government is better than dictatorships and theocracies, it has its pitfalls. FSM Contributing Editor Philip Atkinson describes some of the difficulties facing President Bush today.

    Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy

    By Philip Atkinson

    President George W. Bush is the 43rd President of the United States. He was sworn in for a second term on January 20, 2005 after being chosen by the majority of citizens in America to be president.

    Yet in 2007 he is generally despised, with many citizens of Western civilization expressing contempt for his person and his policies, sentiments which now abound on the Internet. This rage at President Bush is an inevitable result of the system of government demanded by the people, which is Democracy.

    The inadequacy of Democracy, rule by the majority, is undeniable – for it demands adopting ideas because they are popular, rather than because they are wise. This means that any man chosen to act as an agent of the people is placed in an invidious position: if he commits folly because it is popular, then he will be held responsible for the inevitable result. If he refuses to commit folly, then he will be detested by most citizens because he is frustrating their demands.

    When faced with the possible threat that the Iraqis might be amassing terrible weapons that could be used to slay millions of citizens of Western Civilization, President Bush took the only action prudence demanded and the electorate allowed: he conquered Iraq with an army.

    This dangerous and expensive act did destroy the Iraqi regime, but left an American army without any clear purpose in a hostile country and subject to attack. If the Army merely returns to its home, then the threat it ended would simply return.

    The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead. Then there would be little risk or expense and no American army would be left exposed. But if he did this, his cowardly electorate would have instantly ended his term of office, if not his freedom or his life.

    The simple truth that modern weapons now mean a nation must practice genocide or commit suicide. Israel provides the perfect example. If the Israelis do not raze Iran, the Iranians will fulfill their boast and wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Yet Israel is not popular, and so is denied permission to defend itself. In the same vein, President Bush cannot do what is necessary for the survival of Americans. He cannot use the nation's powerful weapons. All he can do is try and discover a result that will be popular with Americans.

    As there appears to be no sensible result of the invasion of Iraq that will be popular with his countrymen other than retreat, President Bush is reviled; he has become another victim of Democracy.

    By elevating popular fancy over truth, Democracy is clearly an enemy of not just truth, but duty and justice, which makes it the worst form of government. President Bush must overcome not just the situation in Iraq, but democratic government.

    However, President Bush has a valuable historical example that he could choose to follow.

    When the ancient Roman general Julius Caesar was struggling to conquer ancient Gaul, he not only had to defeat the Gauls, but he also had to defeat his political enemies in Rome who would destroy him the moment his tenure as consul (president) ended.

    Caesar pacified Gaul by mass slaughter; he then used his successful army to crush all political opposition at home and establish himself as permanent ruler of ancient Rome. This brilliant action not only ended the personal threat to Caesar, but ended the civil chaos that was threatening anarchy in ancient Rome – thus marking the start of the ancient Roman Empire that gave peace and prosperity to the known world.



    If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege while terrifying American enemies.

    He could then follow Caesar's example and use his newfound popularity with the military to wield military power to become the first permanent president of America, and end the civil chaos caused by the continually squabbling Congress and the out-of-control Supreme Court.

    President Bush can fail in his duty to himself, his country, and his God, by becoming “ex-president” Bush or he can become “President-for-Life” Bush: the conqueror of Iraq, who brings sense to the Congress and sanity to the Supreme Court. Then who would be able to stop Bush from emulating Augustus Caesar and becoming ruler of the world? For only an America united under one ruler has the power to save humanity from the threat of a new Dark Age wrought by terrorists armed with nuclear weapons.


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    FamilySecurityMatters.org Contributing Editor Philip Atkinson is the British born founder of ourcivilisation.com and author of A Study of Our Decline. He is a philosopher specializing in issues concerning the preservation of Western civilization. Mr. Atkinson receives mail at rpa@ourcivilisation.com.

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    Is this article you presented supposed to be your view (agreeing with the author--not suggesting you wrote it) or a slice of some of the insane, extremist, morally wrong ideas floating around?

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    No, it was a joke article.

    I mean, nobody could be that stupid...
    "...our media are palace eunuchs gazing avidly at the harem of power and stroking their impotent pens in time to the rape of our liberties."
    -Sarah Hoyt

    "America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
    -Claire Wolfe

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    Hmm I think the only clergy that would be involved with this type of social control would beRev. Jessie Jackson's and theRev Flagar.All the while having thug body guards with guns.

    Odd, there is no mention of Jesus command to his followers tosellthier clothes tobuy a sword if thye did not have one.

    I guess that would be taking things out of context like this article huh...

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    T-RaV wrote:
    No, it was a joke article.

    I mean, nobody could be that stupid...

    Oh really? Here's an e-mail which was forwarded to my by an individual who contacted Philip Atkinson.



    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
    From: Philip Atkinson[/b] < smartboard@bigpond.com>
    Date: Aug 18, 2007 10:05 PM
    Subject: RE: Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy article
    To: Coryxxxxx <coryxxxxx@gmail.com>


    Cory Koski

    Dear Sir,

    Thank you for recognising my right to express an opinion, but please note that being in a minority does not mean being wrong.



    If you wish to discover why Edmund Burke, a famous eighteenth century orator, described democracy as the worst form of government, please see http://www.ourcivilisation.com/democrat.htm .

    Democracy is worse than useless when faced with a crisis, which is why the adoption of democracy is a sign of social decay, and why Professor Toynbee, in "A Study Of History" stated that the decline of Western Civilization started with the French Revolution. (see http://www.ourcivilisation.com/french.htm )



    Please note that Toynbee also predicted 911 in his 1952 publication, for he claimed that as ALL declining civilizations are attacked by barbarian war-bands, Western Civilization would be attacked.

    My concern for America is that its failure to realise the implication of nuclear weapons is threatening to plunge the world into a dark age. That is, it is only a matter of time before nuclear armed Barbarian War-bands start blowing up cities and so impose chaos upon the world.



    Only a united USA can survive such an attack, for a divided USA will collapse into chaos and take the rest of the world with it.

    What should America do when New York disappears under a mushroom cloud, followed by odious demands from Al Qaeda, or Hamas, or the Taliban, or whoever, that must be met if Chicago is not to be destroyed next?

    Kind Regards,

    Philip Atkinson

    From: Coryxxxxx [mailto:coryxxxxx@gmail.com]
    Sent: Saturday, 18 August 2007 10:29 AM
    To: rpa@ourcivilisation.com
    Subject: Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy article


    Thank you for having the courage to express your opinion in this article.

    I don't agree with it, and I have never read anything more crazy in my entire life. Not only would you wipe out life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, you would wipe out the entire neo-conservative self-interested movement. Neoconservatism uses the "spread of democracy" as a vehicle to maintain its self interest. Take away the notion of democracy, and you have dictatorship, and imperialism, which has been seen as an immoral way of conquering nations in order to rape a civiliation's resources.


    I respect you for your opinion, but I am glad you are in the minority.


    Cory xxxxx

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    Particle wrote:
    Is this article you presented supposed to be your view (agreeing with the author--not suggesting you wrote it) or a slice of some of the insane, extremist, morally wrong ideas floating around?
    I hardly am a fan of dictatorship.

    Would it surprpise you to know that the "Family Security Matters" organization includes a former CIA Directory, James Woolsey on its board of directors?

    Would it surprise you a few people are warning thatanother 9-11 style terrorist attack is imminent?

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    Did you ever why President Bush is a strong proponent of sending federal money to churches for "faith based" programs? I think I finally figured it out: churches that take money from the government are now beholden to the government and will perform actions that enable them to continue receiving money from the government.

    Anyway, here's a study that discusses faith based programs.

    http://www.hudsonfaithincommunities....ful_collab.pdf

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    I ran across this, today:

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/baldwin2.html

    The more I read about this, the creepier it feels.

    Full text from Lew Rockwell's website:
    America's Pastors: Preachers of Truth or PromotersofTyranny?
    by Chuck Baldwin
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    Once again, the burden of responsibility to help maintain America's liberty rests upon the shoulders of the men in the pulpits. That should not surprise us, because it has always been this way. Part of what made America great was old-fashioned, tell-it-like-it-is, no-nonsense preaching. Most of what we hear today is a bunch of mealy-mouthed, pussyfooting, ear-tickling, don't-offend-anyone preaching, which has largely contributed to America's current slippery slope into the sewer. But if you thought it could not get any worse, guess again.

    A startling television news report from Shreveport, Louisiana has revealed a sinister plot hatched deep inside the diabolical brain cells of the Bush administration to use America's pulpits as promoters of tyranny. That is a strong statement, I know. But it is true.

    According to KSLA television in Shreveport, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) intends to use America's preachers to help pave the way for martial law in the event of another terrorist attack upon the United States.

    The KSLA report begins, "Could martial law ever become a reality in America? Some fear any nuclear, biological or chemical attack on U.S. soil might trigger just that. KSLA 12 has discovered that the clergy would help the government with potentially their biggest problem: Us."

    The report continued by saying, "[G]un confiscation is exactly what happened during the state of emergency following Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, along with forced relocation. U.S. Troops also arrived, something far easier to do now, thanks to last year's elimination of the 1878 Posse Comitatus act, which had forbid regular U.S. Army troops from policing on American soil.

    "If martial law were enacted here at home, like depicted in the movie, The Siege, easing public fears and quelling dissent would be critical. And that's exactly what the 'Clergy Response Team' helped accomplish in the wake of Katrina."

    The report went on to say: "[C]lergy response teams would walk a tight-rope during martial law between the demands of the government on the one side, versus the wishes of the public on the other. 'In a lot of cases, these clergy would already be known in the neighborhoods in which they're helping to diffuse that situation,' assured Sandy Davis. He serves as the director of the Caddo-Bossier Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness.

    "For the clergy team, one of the biggest tools that they will have in helping calm the public down or to obey the law is the bible itself, specifically Romans 13."

    Dear Reader, are you getting this?

    In order to convince American citizens to surrender their firearms to the government during a time of martial law, DHS is enlisting the assistance of America's pastors. According to the DHS, my job as a church pastor, is to tell my congregation that, according to Romans 13, they must surrender their firearms when the government asks them to do so.

    Of course, faithful readers of this column know that I have already addressed the Romans 13 question.

    For those who are ignorant of Romans 13, let me address the issue bluntly: According to Romans 13, every citizen is only bound to obey his or her governing official to the degree that the governing official does not violate the duty of the citizen to obey the "higher powers" which, for Americans, are God and the U.S. Constitution. In other words, no Christian can be ordered to disobey God, and no American citizen can be ordered to disobey the U.S. Constitution. Properly understood, Romans 13 teaches that each and every governing official (including the President of the United States and all those under him) must submit to the U.S. Constitution.

    Article VI, Paragraph 3 of the U.S. Constitution states, "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution."

    So, what does the Constitution say regarding the disarmament of American citizens? The Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution could not be clearer: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    Did you get that? "[T]he right of the people to keep and bear Arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." [Emphasis added]

    Therefore, any attempt to disarm the American people must be viewed as an act of tyranny and must be resisted.

    The right to keep and bear arms is rooted deep in American history. I remind readers that it was the attempted gun confiscation of the colonists' arms, which had been cached at Concord, Massachusetts, that directly precipitated the beginning of America's fight for independence.

    America's founders were clear on this subject. Our first President, George Washington, called our firearms "the people's liberty teeth." Our third President and author of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson, said, "No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

    America's founders spoke unanimously on the subject. Patrick Henry said, "The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun." Samuel Adams said, "The said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."

    And what did the Lord Jesus Christ tell His followers on this subject? Jesus said in Luke 11:21, "When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace." Did you see that? Jesus said that in order for a man's goods to be "in peace" it was necessary that he be ARMED. Now, I don't know about you, but I will take the word of Jesus over the word of a DHS official anytime.

    Furthermore, Jesus told his disciples in Luke 22:36, "[H]e that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

    Upon hearing the words of Jesus, Simon Peter responded by saying, "Lord, behold, here are two swords." (vs. 38) That means at least two of Jesus' disciples were armed with swords (the 1st Century equivalent of a modern handgun, something used for personal protection), and Jesus did not rebuke them or ask them to surrender their swords. He merely said, "It is enough."

    I realize that after Simon Peter used his sword to cut off the ear of the man as soldiers came to arrest Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus told him to "put up thy sword." But notice, He did not tell him to "give up" his sword; he merely told him it was not time to use it, because it was in the plan and providence of God that Jesus be taken to Pilate, that He might be crucified for our sins.

    Don't tell me that the Bible teaches pacifism, because it doesn't. I am a Christian, and I am a pastor. And I agree with Charlton Heston who said that they could have his guns "over my cold, dead hands." If DHS believes that I will ask my congregation to give up their firearms, they are grossly mistaken.

    It also needs to be pointed out that, apparently, DHS must already be planning to declare martial law in the United States or else this kind of advanced strategy would not even be necessary. Why would they already be asking pastors to be prepared to request their church members give up their guns if they did not intend to declare martial law?

    Now, what every single church-going Christian in America should immediately find out for themselves is, What does my pastor intend to do? Will he ask me to surrender my guns, or not? I highly encourage every reader who currently attends church to ask your pastor this question RIGHT NOW.

    Of course, the next question Christians need to ask themselves is, What will I do if my pastor says he would ask me to surrender my guns to the government? I suggest that every church member in America settle this matter right now. And if you discover that your pastor would indeed ask you to surrender your guns (or equivocate by saying he would have to "pray about it") if asked to do so, you should immediately leave that church and find a pastor who believes the Bible and supports the U.S. Constitution. Furthermore, if you do not currently own a firearm, you might want to heed the words of Jesus and go buy one.

    So, once again, the burden of responsibility to help maintain America's liberty rests upon the shoulders of the men in the pulpits. Will we be preachers of truth or promoters of tyranny?







    August 23, 2007

    Chuck Baldwin [send him mail] is a talkshow host and pastor. Here is his website.

    Copyright © 2007 Chuck Baldwin

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    Makes ya wonder eh??

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    Well, there's a lot of that around the web. Apparently, before WWII, the socialist salute wasn't yet demonized.





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