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    Check it out, PA and WV now have Reciprocity!

    http://www.wvago.gov/press.cfm?ID=390&fx=more

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    Wow, PA finally has a border state with which it has reciprocity... Now, to work on the DPRNY next :shock::?

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    thats really good news...never will happen with ny though

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    I have what may seem to be a dumb question. I have heard that Philadelphia is treated a little bit differently from the rest of the state. I was wondering if a standard CCW i.e. an out of state permit recognized under reciprocity would be valid there??

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    WV XD Guy wrote:
    I have what may seem to be a dumb question. I have heard that Philadelphia is treated a little bit differently from the rest of the state. I was wondering if a standard CCW i.e. an out of state permit recognized under reciprocity would be valid there??
    Philadelphia is only treated differently in terms of carry without a PA license or equivalent, since is it possible, in theory, to OC without any license in other parts of the state. Since a WV permit is recognized as just as "good" as a PA permit, one carrying such a license is free to legally CC or OC in Philadelphia, just as in the rest of the state. Though I don't have the relevant statutes bookmarked, I'm sure someone else will come along with them soon...


    Speaking of Philadelphia, I'll be going there tomorrow to take my great-grandmother to a hospital. However, since the state of Pennsylvania thinks that even though I'm an adult and can go defend our nation's freedom with automatic firearms and explosives in warzones overseas, I'm too irresponsible to be able to carry a revolver or semi-auto handgun in the warzone known as Philadelphia. Wish me luck.

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    imperialism2024 wrote:


    Speaking of Philadelphia, I'll be going there tomorrow to take my great-grandmother to a hospital. However, since the state of Pennsylvania thinks that even though I'm an adult and can go defend our nation's freedom with automatic firearms and explosives in warzones overseas, I'm too irresponsible to be able to carry a revolver or semi-auto handgun in the warzone known as Philadelphia. Wish me luck.
    I know what you mean. The last time I went to Philadelphia, I got the privilege of seeing someone get carjacked at gunpoint about 10 feet away from me! I haven't been back since.

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    Commonwealth v. Hawkins
    In all parts of Pennsylvania, persons who are licensed may carry concealed firearms. 18 Pa.C.S. § 6108. *Except in Philadelphia, firearms may be carried openly without a license*. See Ortiz v. Commonwealth, ___ Pa. ___, ___, 681 A.2d 152, 155 (1996) (*only in Philadelphia must a person obtain a license for carrying a firearm whether it is unconcealed or concealed; in other parts of the Commonwealth, unconcealed firearms do not require a license*). The Commonwealth takes the radical position that police have a duty to stop and frisk when they receive information from any source that a suspect has a gun. Since it is not illegal to carry a licensed gun in Pennsylvania,4 it is difficult to see where this shocking idea originates, notwithstanding the Commonwealth's fanciful and histrionic references to maniacs who may spray schoolyards with gunfire and assassins of public figures who may otherwise go undetected. Even if the Constitution of Pennsylvania would permit such invasive police activity as the Commonwealth proposes -- which it does not -- such activity seems more likely to endanger than to protect the public. Unnecessary police intervention, by definition, produces the possibility of conflict where none need exist.* Contrary to the Commonwealth's view, the public will receive its full measure of protection by police who act within the restraints imposed on them by Art. I, § 8 of the Constitution of Pennsylvania and this court's relevant case law. Upon receiving unverified information that a certain person is engaged in illegal activity, the police may always observe the suspect and conduct their own investigation. If police surveillance produces a reasonable suspicion of criminal conduct, the suspect may, of course, be briefly stopped and questioned (the Terry investigative stop),


    Commonwealth v. Ortiz
    53 Pa.C.S. section 13133. Philadelphia appellants assert that they are limited by the acts of the General Assembly only if those acts are applicable in the entire commonwealth, and the firearms statute is not. In particular, they argue that in Philadelphia County, the legislature requires that a person must be licensed to carry weapons openly and not concealed from sight,*
    18 Pa.C.S. section 6108, [footnote 1] whereas in all other counties of Pennsylvania, *weapons may be carried openly without a license*, 18 Pa.C.S. section 6106. [footnote 2]


    Only the Issuing Authority has the Right to Confiscate a Pennsylvania LTCF

    § 6109. Licenses

    Revocation.--A license to carry firearms may be revoked by the issuing authority[/b] for good cause. A license to carry firearms shall be revoked by the issuing authority for any reason stated in subsection (e)(1) which occurs during the term of the permit. Notice of revocation shall be in writing and shall state the specific reason for revocation. Notice shall be sent by certified mail, and, at that time, a copy shall be forwarded to the commissioner. An individual whose license is revoked shall surrender the license to the issuing authority within five days of receipt of the notice. An individual whose license is revoked may appeal to the court of common pleas for the judicial district in which the individual resides. An individual who violates this section commits a summary offense.

    LTCF Only Required if Carrying Concealed or in a Vehicle

    § 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.

    (a) Offense defined.--Any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.

    Possible Penalty for Police Actions against a citizens lawful possession of firearms

    § 5301. Official oppression.

    A person acting or purporting to act in an official capacity or taking advantage of such actual or purported capacity commits a misdemeanor of the second degree[/b] if, knowing that his conduct is illegal, he: subjects another to arrest, detention, search, seizure, mistreatment, dispossession, assessment, lien or other infringement of personal or property rights; or denies or impedes another in the exercise or enjoyment of any right, privilege, power or immunity.

    Terroristic threats/Disorderly conduct not applicable to lawful open carrying of a firearm

    § 2706. Terroristic threats.

    (a) Offense defined. A person commits the crime of terroristic threats if the person communicates, either directly or indirectly, a threat to: commit any crime of violence with intent to terrorize another; cause evacuation of a building, place of assembly, or facility of public transportation; or otherwise cause serious public inconvenience, or cause terror or serious public inconvenience with reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror or inconvenience.

    (e) Definition.--As used in this section, the term "communicates" means conveys in person or by written or electronic means, including telephone, electronic mail, Internet, facsimile, telex and similar transmissions.

    § 5503. Disorderly conduct.

    (a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he: engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior; makes unreasonable noise; uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.


    Legitimate purpose to open or conceal carry a firearm: Section 21. The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

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