Not entirely true. You cannot use "the quickest and most effective force available" if it results in excessive
force being used.
admonition on unthinking and/ortestosterone-based civilian self-defense:
You'll be sorry if you use excessive force.
We are not the Police
If our life or the life of an innocent party is threatened, we have the right to use sufficient force to stop the threat.
I know HankT that you are hung up on excessive force.
In my world, (and my state) we are allowed to use force, even force likely to cause death, in the defense of ourselves or a third party, from a threat to life or limb.
When a person decides to cause great bodily harm, maim, assault, kill or so on, another another person, this person becomes a threat. We are allowed to use the quickest and most effective means at out disposal to stop that threat.
You have heard it before, but here it is again.
I felt my life, (or the life of another) was in danger. I stopped that threat.
My lawyer will answer all other questions.
I stopped the threat. I did not attempt to stop it. I did not sort of stop it. I STOPPED IT! for me nothing less is acceptable.
HankT you do what you feel you mustand I will do the same.
I hope that neither ofus ever have tostop a threat, but if the need arises, I hope that we are both up to the task.
I can't help but feel that it would cause us both great pain to do so, but I can't help but feel that the pain of not saving an innocent person from a threat, would be greater.