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    So, I was out tonight with the family...we stopped at Dairy Queen in the Festival at Bull Run Shopping Center off of I-66 in Prince William County. It was not especially busy, though there were a few patrons incoming and outgoing...

    My family and I were sitting talking about the revolutionary war when I noticed a Prince William County cruiser pull up and park at the curb at a neghboring retailer. I thought little of it, until a second cruiser pulled up directly in front of Dairy Queen followed quickly by another in the parking lot. I knew at that point what it was about...

    Four officers enter the establishment...

    LEO1: Hey, How ya doin'?
    ME: Alright, how ya doing?
    LEO1: Pretty good
    LEO2: I'm sure you know why we're here...
    ME: Why are you here?
    LEO2: Somebody called cause they're freaked out about a gun. We got no problem with it....that's all
    LEO1: Just makin' sure everything's ok
    ME: Yeah, everything's just fine. I appreciate it.
    LEO1: Like I said, we've got no problem with it, but people are just looking...they get worried, they call in
    LEO2: They see something they don't normally see...
    ME: Yeah...Absolutely...everything's cool. We appreciate it.
    LEO1: Have a good night, ok?
    ME: Thank you.

    The entire exchange lasted 44 seconds and they left. They did stand outside chatting for a few minutes while myself and my family remained inside. We stayed for a couple minutes, then decided to leave...

    Upon leaving I approached the officers and thanked them for their professionalism and service to the public and I went on my way.

    My first LEO encounter...I was nervous, but confident. The exchange went well and as they should.

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    Sounds like they acted unbiasedly so, and decent, good to hear!


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    Gotta love Virginia! The cops, some of them anyway,have common sense and don't flip out over citizens exercising their rights.

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    Yeah, the cops are usually fine, but I really have a problem with the d**ches who wip out their cellphones

    BECAUSE AN ARMEDMAN IS PEACEFULLY EATING ICE CREAM WITH HIS FAMILY !!!!!

    These people torque me off.

    Nice going, vrmiller. Keeping up the OC = ice cream tradition, I see.

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    vrwmiller wrote:
    LEO1: Hey, How ya doin'?
    ME: Alright, how ya doing?
    LEO1: Pretty good
    LEO2: I'm sure you know why we're here...
    ME: Why are you here?
    LEO2: Somebody called cause they're freaked out about a gun. We got no problem with it....that's all
    LEO1: Just makin' sure everything's ok
    ME: Yeah, everything's just fine. I appreciate it.
    LEO1: Like I said, we've got no problem with it, but people are just looking...they get worried, they call in
    LEO2: They see something they don't normally see...
    ME: Yeah...Absolutely...everything's cool. We appreciate it.
    LEO1: Have a good night, ok?
    ME: Thank you.

    The entire exchange lasted 44 seconds and they left...
    Very cool. Well done, vrwmiller. Well done, LEOs.

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    Yeah, the cops are usually fine, but I really have a problem with the d**ches who wip out their cellphones

    BECAUSE AN ARMEDMAN IS PEACEFULLY EATING ICE CREAM WITH HIS FAMILY !!!!!

    These people torque me off.

    Nice going, vrmiller. Keeping up the OC = ice cream tradition, I see.
    You gotta love it!!!

    Hello?? 911?? A man sitting issitting with his family and they areeating ice cream and he has a GUN!!!!

    I am scared that he might shoot something or someone after the sugar kicks in!!

    Having metvrmiller in person..... I would have asked to check the SN on his gun!

    But seriously... Glad it went well.


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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote:
    Yeah, the cops are usually fine, but I really have a problem with the d**ches who wip out their cellphones

    BECAUSE AN ARMEDMAN IS PEACEFULLY EATING ICE CREAM WITH HIS FAMILY !!!!!

    These people torque me off.

    Nice going, vrmiller. Keeping up the OC = ice cream tradition, I see.
    You gotta love it!!!

    Hello?? 911?? A man sitting issitting with his family and they areeating ice cream and he has a GUN!!!!

    I am scared that he might shoot something or someone after the sugar kicks in!!

    Having metvrmiller in person..... I would have asked to check the SN on his gun!

    But seriously... Glad it went well.
    Hello, 911? There's a man eating ice cream, and HE'S NOT SHARING WITH HIS GUN!! I'm afraid his gun will want some too, jump out of its holster, and go on a rampage until it gets it's own cone.

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    vtme_grad98 wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote:
    Yeah, the cops are usually fine, but I really have a problem with the d**ches who wip out their cellphones

    BECAUSE AN ARMEDMAN IS PEACEFULLY EATING ICE CREAM WITH HIS FAMILY !!!!!

    These people torque me off.

    Nice going, vrmiller. Keeping up the OC = ice cream tradition, I see.
    You gotta love it!!!

    Hello?? 911?? A man sitting issitting with his family and they areeating ice cream and he has a GUN!!!!

    I am scared that he might shoot something or someone after the sugar kicks in!!

    Having metvrmiller in person..... I would have asked to check the SN on his gun!

    But seriously... Glad it went well.
    Hello, 911? There's a man eating ice cream, and HE'S NOT SHARING WITH HIS GUN!! I'm afraid his gun will want some too, jump out of its holster, and go on a rampage until it gets it's own cone.
    Good one!!!

    Why do people call when it is holstered?? I can see if he was pointing it or appeared to be a threat. vrmiller looks like a very normal and casual person. Rather Non threatening if you ask me. Looks like a responsible family man.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Having metvrmiller in person..... I would have asked to check the SN on his gun!
    You know, LEO 229, I've been thinking about the SN checking thing a little bit.

    Seems to me with RFID technology, that a SN chip could be put into guns and then a portable networkedreader could be used to "check" all theguns you need to check.

    Would that technology be useful to you? :shock:

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    HankT wrote:
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    Having metvrmiller in person..... I would have asked to check the SN on his gun!
    You know, LEO 229, I've been thinking about the SN checking thing a little bit.

    Seems to me with RFID technology, that a SN chip could be put into guns and then a portable networkedreader could be used to "check" all theguns you need to check.

    Would that technology be useful to you? :shock:
    Hank... that was supposed top be a secret! Now they will all know I plant the RFID chip in their guns when they let me hold them. Thanks buddy!




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    HankT wrote:
    You know, LEO 229, I've been thinking about the SN checking thing a little bit.

    Seems to me with RFID technology, that a SN chip could be put into guns and then a portable networkedreader could be used to "check" all theguns you need to check.

    Would that technology be useful to you? :shock:
    Old idea, that. Part of the periodic "smart gun" craze that blows through places like Jersey and MD.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
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    You know, LEO 229, I've been thinking about the SN checking thing a little bit.

    Seems to me with RFID technology, that a SN chip could be put into guns and then a portable networkedreader could be used to "check" all theguns you need to check.

    Would that technology be useful to you? :shock:
    Old idea, that. Part of the periodic "smart gun" craze that blows through places like Jersey and MD.
    Yah, but the smart gun idea mostly deals with firing a gun. So the application would have to be failsafe.

    With a SN chip, it would not have to be thus, enabling easier adoption.

    I see something coming in that tech genre coming for gun detection and ID. It would solve a lot of problems. And there is a need for it...

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    Sounds like they could do that with a lot of things. Like passports or.... Wait just a minute!

    I cover my gun with aluminum foil.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    Yeah, the cops are usually fine, but I really have a problem with the d**ches who wip out their cellphones

    BECAUSE AN ARMEDMAN IS PEACEFULLY EATING ICE CREAM WITH HIS FAMILY !!!!!

    These people torque me off.

    Nice going, vrmiller. Keeping up the OC = ice cream tradition, I see.
    Indeed. That does irritate me as well, unfortunately, the couple did not stick around long enough for the PD to actually show up and see that it was a non-issue. Y'see...I know who called the PD...

    They were there near the front of the door when we walked in and I saw their :what: look as I walked by. We got our order and had a seat, also not far from the front of the establishment. They continued to finish their order...I don't know....10 minutes passed before they left and as they left, the guy gave my wife and 'evil eye look' as she referred to it. I saw them walk out and get into their vehicle. They sat there, musta been for about 5 - 10 minutes. They left before the PD showed....shame, I would have rather they stuck around.

    BTW, Tomahawk...indeed keeping the OC & IC (Ice Cream) tradition going... :celebrate

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    HankT wrote:
    Very cool. Well done, vrwmiller. Well done, LEOs.
    Thank you, Hank.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote:
    Having metvrmiller in person..... I would have asked to check the SN on his gun!
    You know, LEO 229, I've been thinking about the SN checking thing a little bit.

    Seems to me with RFID technology, that a SN chip could be put into guns and then a portable networkedreader could be used to "check" all theguns you need to check.

    Would that technology be useful to you? :shock:
    Hank... that was supposed top be a secret! Now they will all know I plant the RFID chip in their guns when they let me hold them. Thanks buddy!




    I see that you have been busy, LEO 229. Very busy. Your hand has been shown.

    So, Citizen was right! You are not ...one of us.....

    YOUAREALIBERALCLINTONISTASPOOKMMERANTI2AJBT!!!!!

    ixtow was right about you!

    :P

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    LEO 229 wrote:
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    LEO 229 wrote:
    You gotta love it!!!

    Hello?? 911?? A man sitting issitting with his family and they areeating ice cream and he has a GUN!!!!

    I am scared that he might shoot something or someone after the sugar kicks in!!

    Having metvrmiller in person..... I would have asked to check the SN on his gun!

    But seriously... Glad it went well.
    [ snip ]
    Good one!!!

    Why do people call when it is holstered?? I can see if he was pointing it or appeared to be a threat. vrmiller looks like a very normal and casual person. Rather Non threatening if you ask me. Looks like a responsible family man.
    LEO229, You can check my S/N when you get my driving record cleaned up

    Thanks for the compliment. I like to think I am non-threatening and a responsible family man.

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    HankT wrote:
    And there is a need for it...
    Wow, you really like to stir up some s***, don't you.

    Maybe you should start another thread. Think of the fun you'll have spinning people up.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
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    And there is a need for it...
    Wow, you really like to stir up some s***, don't you.

    Maybe you should start another thread. Think of the fun you'll have spinning people up.
    It's just an idea, 'hawk. You don't have to be afraid ofit...

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    I've decided that since the exchange went well and the officers did not abuse any of their authority, that I would compliment the officers and mail a letter of compliment to the chief...here is that letter...


    Mr. Deane:

    I wanted to take a moment to compliment four of Prince William County’s police officers in response to a call for service that was received by the police department on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 at approximately 8:30 – 9:00PM EDT at the Dairy Queen restaurant on Sudley Manor Dr in the Festival at Bull Run Shopping Center.

    According to the officers, a worried citizen had called the department regarding a person with a gun at that location. I was that person with the gun. I was lawfully carrying my holstered sidearm when approached by the officers inside the establishment. They indicated that they had received a call and were simply “making sure everything was ok”.

    I assured them that everything was fine and I am confident that their assessment of the circumstances showed no wrongdoing. I had the opportunity to personally thank them for their service to the county and the public. Additionally, I appreciated them responding to the call for service, quite frankly, because had I been the one to call the department worried about someone with a gun, I would certainly appreciate officers of the law showing up.

    The officers were extremely courteous and professional in their demeanor. My motives for carrying a firearm were not questioned nor was advice on my mode of carry offered up. This clearly exemplifies that the officers are properly trained in upholding the laws and protecting the individual rights of citizens.

    Unfortunately, I do not have each of the officer’s names. I did not think to ask for their cards while conversing. However, I hope that the information provided above is enough information that the department will be able to determine the names of the responding officers and recognize them accordingly.

    Once this information is ascertained, please feel free to update me on the officer’s names so that I may know them. I hope that each of their superiors will be notified and that this letter of compliment will be added to their personnel file

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    HankT wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote:
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    You know, LEO 229, I've been thinking about the SN checking thing a little bit.

    Seems to me with RFID technology, that a SN chip could be put into guns and then a portable networkedreader could be used to "check" all theguns you need to check.

    Would that technology be useful to you? :shock:
    Old idea, that. Part of the periodic "smart gun" craze that blows through places like Jersey and MD.
    Yah, but the smart gun idea mostly deals with firing a gun. So the application would have to be failsafe.

    With a SN chip, it would not have to be thus, enabling easier adoption.

    I see something coming in that tech genre coming for gun detection and ID. It would solve a lot of problems. And there is a need for it...
    You may laugh at this but my capstone engineering project was almost going to be inserting RFID tags into license plate expiration date stickers and then setting up readers under/over major roads.

    And as an intermediary, since that would take a really long time to eventually implement and have enough people "registered" in the system we would do the following:

    Two mountable cameras on the front right and front left bumpers of police cruisers that could auto-adjust and focus in on license plates of vehicles in the lane to the right, the lane to the left, and directly in front. Image processing software in the cruiser mainframe that would pull the images, quickly choose a "best focused" snapshot and then decode the image into a string of characters. It could then pass that off to whatever software cruisers currently have to run tag numbers. Some neat little add-on to the current software that would accept the tag number data and automatically run it and pop up a warning if the tag was wanted for something.


    Then we realized that cameras of that quality in combination with enterprising image processing software would cost way too much for police agencies. That and LEO229 didn't want us tinkering with his cruiser.

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    Its about as stupid an idea as HankTs 'all OCers should have retention holsters'. Pretty pointless to do when one considers how many millions of guns would never get a chip.

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    nickerj1 wrote:
    Two mountable cameras on the front right and front left bumpers of police cruisers that could auto-adjust and focus in on license plates of vehicles in the lane to the right, the lane to the left, and directly in front. Image processing software in the cruiser mainframe that would pull the images, quickly choose a "best focused" snapshot and then decode the image into a string of characters. It could then pass that off to whatever software cruisers currently have to run tag numbers. Some neat little add-on to the current software that would accept the tag number data and automatically run it and pop up a warning if the tag was wanted for something.


    Then we realized that cameras of that quality in combination with enterprising image processing software would cost way too much for police agencies. That and LEO229 didn't want us tinkering with his cruiser.
    I read somewhere of a pilot that did exactly what you describe. Results were good. I think, very good. But privacy issues were brought into play and it got kind of tangled up withlegal inertia or something.

    Seems to me that punching in individual queriesis kind of ancient data entry philosophy.

    The legal considerations are there, to be sure. But I doubt they are insurmountable.

    Certainly the equipment cost is not a permanent bar to an implementation.

    I'll see if I can find the news report on the pilot.

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    vrwmiller wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote:
    Yeah, the cops are usually fine, but I really have a problem with the d**ches who wip out their cellphones

    BECAUSE AN ARMEDMAN IS PEACEFULLY EATING ICE CREAM WITH HIS FAMILY !!!!!

    These people torque me off.

    Nice going, vrmiller. Keeping up the OC = ice cream tradition, I see.
    Indeed. That does irritate me as well, unfortunately, the couple did not stick around long enough for the PD to actually show up and see that it was a non-issue. Y'see...I know who called the PD...

    They were there near the front of the door when we walked in and I saw their :what: look as I walked by. We got our order and had a seat, also not far from the front of the establishment. They continued to finish their order...I don't know....10 minutes passed before they left and as they left, the guy gave my wife and 'evil eye look' as she referred to it. I saw them walk out and get into their vehicle. They sat there, musta been for about 5 - 10 minutes. They left before the PD showed....shame, I would have rather they stuck around.

    BTW, Tomahawk...indeed keeping the OC & IC (Ice Cream) tradition going... :celebrate
    Must have been that retired Marine from Tony's out enjoying ice cream for a change. Vrw, am very happy to hear that the encounter went well, just sorry that it happened at all. Wonder ifthe 911 attendant advised the caller that open carry is completely legal in the Old Dominion and to not bother them with, "My cat is stuck in a tree" type calls.

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    The only thing I would have written (or not written) differently, would be to leave all firearm related references out of the letter.

    A lot of politically motivated LEO's above the 'Gold Shield' level don't seem to share our views.

    Without mentioning the details of the encounter (which should be in the report anyway) just mention that you had an occasion to encounter them and praise their professionalism.

    I RECOMMEND that any time there is a positive encounter with any public official who is truly professional (even though this is what we SHOULD normally expect) that an actual snail mail letter be written.

    This will go into their record AND will help build good will between our community and theirs. (Though again, they are supposed to be the same.)

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