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    We'll see if this gets picked up by thenews media...




    Zogby International / Associated Television News Poll finds 66% of Voters Say 'No' to New Gun Laws



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    LOS ANGELES, Aug. 21 /PRNewswire/ -- A recent Zogby International poll
    question conducted for Associated Television News found that 66% of the
    American voting public in a recent poll of 1,020 Americans from August
    8-11, 2007 (margin of error of +/- 3.1%) found that the American public
    rejects the notion that new gun control laws are needed.

    The poll asked: "Which of the following two statements regarding gun
    control comes closer to your own opinion? Statement A: There needs to be
    new and tougher gun control legislation to help in the fight against gun
    crime. Statement B: There are enough laws on the books. What is needed is
    better enforcement of current laws regarding gun control.

    Conversely, only 31% of the American public think new and tougher gun
    control legislation are needed.

    A majority of voters who support enforcement of gun laws already on the
    books exists virtually across all demographic groups and in all regions of
    the country with the only exception being Asian and liberal voters.

    About Zogby International
    Zogby International (http://www.zogby.com) has been tracking public
    opinion since 1984 in North America, Latin America, the Middle East, Asia,
    and Europe and is a leader in the public opinion field and regularly
    conducts polling for Reuters and MSNBC.


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    So, 31% qualifies as "only"??? That's almost a third of the (representative) population thinking that enforcement of the already overly restrictive and quasi-constitutional gun laws isn't enough.

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    imperialism2024 wrote:
    So, 31% qualifies as "only"??? That's almost a third of the (representative) population thinking that enforcement of the already overly restrictive and quasi-constitutional gun laws isn't enough.
    Well, the fact is that if the majority of the voting population thinks that we don't need any more gun control, then we shouldn't have any more gun control. But do you think that's going to happen?

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    CaliforniaCarry wrote:
    imperialism2024 wrote:
    So, 31% qualifies as "only"??? That's almost a third of the (representative) population thinking that enforcement of the already overly restrictive and quasi-constitutional gun laws isn't enough.
    Well, the fact is that if the majority of the voting population thinks that we don't need any more gun control, then we shouldn't have any more gun control. But do you think that's going to happen?
    Sure. I don't see why not. That's a logical conclusion from the poll.

    Assuming the pollis done randomly, it's a positive (possibly very positive) insight into what the general populace is thinking about an imporant subject. This little poll should be ofgeneral interest to the die-hard pros and die-hard antis.

    Single item surveys, as a general rule, have problems, though.

    The trend on gun control continues to be: less onerous laws and continued expansion of allowable gun uses. It's very clear. Not even the VT massacre has changed that significantly.

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    The major media"s wont print that Hank, The poll was not for public public onfo.

    The poll was set up so that the liberal Presedential canidates would know if they should keep there mouths shut about gun control, If the numbers were the other way around, you would hear about how they want more restrictive gun laws.

    Liberals alwaysgame plan according to polls, you know that.

    They never stand on values or convictions,

    Their motto should be " flow with the poll's"

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    The results of this poll will be deep-sixed pretty quickly. The only polls that get through more than one news cycle are the ones that find wide support for "gun control", since they conform with the MSM's agenda. Want to bet Sarah Brady will continue to yammer on about how the majority of Americans want stricter gun laws?

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    And with most polls, the wording of the questions and how they are asked make a huge difference. The order of the questions makes a difference as well. If it is a phone survey the first question is the only one that the survey taker will really focus on.



    For example you would get much different answers if worded like this:

    A: Should the United States get back to the country our founding fathers intended and repeal the unconstitutional laws prohibiting law abiding citizens God given right to protect themselves, their family and their country.

    B: Do we need even more ineffective laws restricting the law abiding citizens 2nd amendment rights to keep and bear arms?

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    kingfish wrote:
    And with most polls, the wording of the questions and how they are asked make a huge difference. The order of the questions makes a difference as well. If it is a phone survey the first question is the only one that the survey taker will really focus on.
    I doubt there are order effects issues here. It appears to bea single-item measure.

    Still, thevalidity of the survey could beeasily challenged. But maybe not successfully.

    The wording of the question is actually pretty good. It discriminates pretty well. There wasn't much "no opinion." I wonder how they got that.

    Overall, it's a nice little piece of info. Eminently citable by pro-gun rights folks.

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    HankT wrote:
    kingfish wrote:
    And with most polls, the wording of the questions and how they are asked make a huge difference. The order of the questions makes a difference as well. If it is a phone survey the first question is the only one that the survey taker will really focus on.
    I doubt there are order effects issues here. It appears to bea single-item measure.

    Still, thevalidity of the survey could beeasily challenged. But maybe not successfully.

    The wording of the question is actually pretty good. It discriminates pretty well. There wasn't much "no opinion." I wonder how they got that.

    Overall, it's a nice little piece of info. Eminently citable by pro-gun rights folks.
    I agree Hank that it is good news. All I am saying is that polls can be manipulated. If asked the "right" questions, those numbers can change dramatically.

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    Here's some more "good news." Kindof.


    Gun Lobby Or Smart Citizens?

    Anti-gun interests keep taking potshots at your intellect. And safety.

    August 23rd, 2007
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    I'm getting so tired of the anti-gun, anti-family organizations running out of both steam and money, and then blaming it on the Gun Lobby. The Brady Center's website Second Amendment Fantasy and The Center's remarks praising Virginia Tech's anti-student panel ruling refuse to accept the smarts of American citizens – and their rights.

    Has anybody seen the latest instalment of The Power Of 10?

    The week of August 20th, 2007, Host Drew Carey posed a question about gun control to the contestant: what percentage of Americans believe that Americans should be allowed to own automatic weapons?

    The answer was 41%. I watched the show and the audience applauded. If, as Drew notes from time to time, that the Poll was conducted of New Yorkers, man, am I impressed! The significance is that on the question of ‘automatic weapons', the finding is not 1 or 2 percent or even 10 or 20 percent, but a thriving 41%.

    And Drew, thank you for your service. I didn't know you are a Marine.

    So much for the big, bad gun lobby.

    Let's not forget that there is an anti-gun lobby. Where your right to own and carry a gun is a civil right – you might say your right to choose – can you imagine a lobby that legally operates against a civil right, thinking up all sorts of arguments against you? Yes, you.

    If this is how Americans believe in fellow citizens on the issue of automatic weapons, I'd love to learn more about how they poll out on home self-defense, defense away from home, concealed carry and Castle Doctrine. Judging by the majority of states which affirm concealed carry of weapons, including reciprocity among states, I'd say we already have that answer, and this makes the Brady Center not only out of step with American values, but also irrelevant.

    Of course, one might observe that 59% of that Poll disagree, but you have to ask how many of those polled knew that police have no duty to protect individuals, and never have; that citizens are possessed of all legal authority to use up to lethal force when facing grave danger, and how many knew that, tactically, the target is the first line of defense for both person and community? Or campus.

    These are truths the anti-gun movement leaves out, and this is what makes them anti-liberty and anti-family. Heads of household and loved ones are killed across this country because they are talked out of their liberty – talked out of it – by anti-family organizations who compel them to walk defenseless while thugs roam armed.

    It's what they don't tell you in their crusade to take away the force which backs all citizen authority in this country - again Crime's being used as a wedge issue. They need people to get hurt in order to sustain their emotional arguments.

    One of the beauties of concealed carry is in the number of people who do not get hurt, because the armed citizen de-escalates a crime in progress with authority and superior force without discharging the weapon; about 2.5 million times a year according to the FBI. That kicks the stuffings out of the idea of an honest citizen not owning and carrying superior force. You have the authority, but this is obfuscated. Why?

    And get this: Zogby International Poll contemporaneous with this [August 21, PR Newswire] finds that 66% of Voters say ‘No' to more gun laws. Big bad gun lobby.

    2008 Candidates, call your offices.

    As I very carefully point out, we won't stop the next school or workplace shooting by psychoanalyzing or profiling the next shooter, or by disarming students or employees – we'll stop the next shooting by preparing the students and workers to de-escalate it in progress (just as it's done 2.5 million times a year when first responders are not available).

    Victims don't become victims because they fight back – they die because they didn't. Why obfuscate this individual authority? Why punish self-defense? Why characterize facing grave danger as settling a dispute in anger?

    For every school shooting, an Administration forced students to choose between felony or funeral, and, for some students, now deceased, it obviously chose for them. This is a very resentful concept. Every campus which disarms students another hour shares the blame for the actions of the next shooter.

    More citizens are becoming aware of their authority to act without permission from bureaucrats – their authority hidden or punished in being forced to choose every day between felony or funeral. These constituents see a third choice – freedom without having to get permission, and, in fact, instructing officials.

    The solution is, of course, to repeal all gun laws and respect citizen authority.

    That would be most refreshing. It would be a good stump issue. It would be good for the country.

    http://www.goodforthecountry.com/

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