Campus Police

UTOC-45-44 wrote:

HankT wrote:

dngreer wrote:

More feasible than spending billions of dollars (and never actually succeeding) trying to secure all our nations schools with cameras, locks, loud speakers, email alerts, and campus shutdowns. School security will be the strongest when you can get right to the problem. What's closer to a classroom shooting than the people actually there, at the confrontation?

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What would it cost to train and arm 6.2 million teachers?

Would you also train and arm some school staff/employees too?

Ballpark, how much d'ya think?

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Cheaper than 6.2 million students dying !!!:cuss:

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Huh?

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$100 for 12 hours of Firearms training......I'm moving to Ohio :lol:

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I think it's important to make a distinction between requiring teachers to be trained and armed and allowing them to be. My wife is a teacher. She has taken multiple firearm training courses (and we're signed up for another 2-day, 16 hour course next month). She goes to the range about once a month. She's got her CPL and carries almost all the time except when she's at work.

So, even though she is ready, willing, and able to assume the responsiblity, she is banned from protecting her own life and the lives of those around her by our own backwards laws.

All that needs to be done is to remove the unconstitutional barriers to the right to keep and bear arms. At the very least, I can assure you that we'd have one less "sitting duck" classroom, and it would come at no expense to Joe and Jane Taxpayer.

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There are many assumptions in my following plan granted, however:

Let assume raw police recruits receive a solid week of firearms training total dispersed throughout their 3 months at the academy training to be an officer. Training to include proper handling, proper use of lethal force, cleaning, and accuracy/range practice & instruction. That is 5 days at 8 hours per day =40 hours of Firearms training.

Most agencies I know of require yearly, or bi-yearly certification of their firearm training/accuracy. This recertification as required by their policies asks they report to (x) police range to qualify. Lets say this takes 4 hours. This assumption does not take into account any training for SWAT, or related paramilitary related special units.

Going with a bi-annual requirement, that is 48 hoursfor the firstyear an officer spends to be “trained” with their weapon, with 8hours every year thereafter and does not take into account any practice they pay for out of pocket themselves. . .which from officers I know is reported to be rare. Let’s round up to 50 hours just for a good round number for year 1. Now, obviously we want great instructors to train our teachers since they’ll be defending our children. We’ll use the pricing they use at the Thunder Ranch training facility in Oregon. A 3 day course costs $880.00. Assuming 8 hours a day of training, (880.00 / 24 hours total = $36.67 per hour x 40 hours for the week of training = $1466.80 per teacher to be trained, as good as, if not better than your average campus security officer.

Weapons:

We want our teachers to have a sturdy and reliable weapon, and something able to have enough rounds to seriously deter a deranged gunman. I’m opting for a Glock 17 .9mm semiautomatic firearm for the purposes of pricing. A quick check shows me that any Joe of good social standing can purchase said handgun for a retail price of $559.00, which includes 1 17 round magazine. Now, any accountant can tell you that when you order in bulk, you get great pricing. So lets say a state (or commonwealth) puts out an RFP to purchase 124,000 firearms (6.2M / 50 states = 124,000 teachers). For a contract that large, you better believe the cost will come down. Lets assume the winning bid for that Glock 17 came in at $459 per unit.

They’ll need to shoot rounds of course. . .

A box of Hornady 90252 XTP Pistol 9mm Luger 115Gr JHP, 20Rnd runs $12.16 (with 3 rounds left over!!! )A nice 3-slot hip holster from Galco runs $62.00 (again with the RFP/reduced pricing for contract win) would go for $42.00.

So fully armed the material cost would be $513.16.

Total cost to arm a teacher would be 1979.96, but let’s say $2000.00 for a nice round number.

$2000 x 124,000 teachers in one state would be a cost of $248 million.

You would of course get to subtract the total cost of “resource officers” that are paid to be armed guards at the schools. No information on what they are paid.

Of course, government at the state level could apply for federal funding to help offset that cost, so the $248M number is just the starting point. If we (The US of A) would stop handing out money overseas for loans and relief programs, the money can be easily found. Heck, in 2005 the US paid Sub-Saharan Africa a total of $262M in Military aid. There is one state covered right there. Makes sense that we worry about us first before we help out the other corners of the globe.

So is it economically and logistically possible? Easily. Of course we’ll hear the stock-phrase planned agreements from the anti crowd, such as Stock response # 1 “The streets will run red with blood” and stock response # 2 “It will be like the OK corral” and # 3 (time tested favorite) “It will be the wild west.” But we always hear these arguments every time there is a major policy/law shift favoring 2[suP]nd[/suP] amendment supports, and every time none of the arguments come true.

So. . .$2000.00 for training and arming one teacher vs.. . what is the going rate for a child's life these days?

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I think it's important to make a distinction between requiring teachers to be trained and armed and allowing them to be. My wife is a teacher. She has taken multiple firearm training courses (and we're signed up for another 2-day, 16 hour course next month). She goes to the range about once a month. She's got her CPL and carries almost all the time except when she's at work.

So, even though she is ready, willing, and able to assume the responsiblity, she is banned from protecting her own life and the lives of those around her by our own backwards laws.

All that needs to be done is to remove the unconstitutional barriers to the right to keep and bear arms. At the very least, I can assure you that we'd have one less "sitting duck" classroom, and it would come at no expense to Joe and Jane Taxpayer.

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Right nowthere are six officers watching over the students. Well, that's a small army right there!

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