Which counties?

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Sorry if this is a Newbie question, but I have looked through the FAQ's and current threads and cannot see anything.

Is there any kind of list showing which California counties have ordinances prohibiting unloaded O.C. in unincorporated zones?

Living in unincorporatedL.A. County, I'd be amazed if it were allowed here, but how about in nearby Kern County, or Ventura?

Yes, I could read the mumicipal codes, but maybe someone has already collated all of that(?)

Or have I misunderstood, and unloaded O.C. is not illegal (almost) everywhere, but loaded O.C. is restricted?

On a related topic, I know the p.c. that says "a gun holstered on the belt is not considered concealed." However, many CCW holders do in fact conceal firearms in belt holsters by wearing a shirt or jacket over it, or even inside waistband. Does anyone have any practical experience where LEO's have claimed that they are breaching their CCW permit by exposing their gun, even though it can't really be seen?

John

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Unloaded OC is legal anywhere you can 'possess' a firearm (which is almost anywhere). Just avoid any government buildings and 'school zones.' (School zones is the tough one, so I suggest you read CA PC 626.9

Sorry, I can't help you with specific info on your county. For general info, refer to the other threads; most the research has been done for you.

Keep in mind this web site doesn't offer legal advice. We're just amatuers trying to sort out the mess we call the Penal Code.

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TBJ wrote:

Is there any kind of list showing which California counties have ordinances prohibiting unloaded O.C. in unincorporated zones? No, not yet.

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Or have I misunderstood, and unloaded O.C. is not illegal (almost) everywhere, but loaded O.C. is restricted? Technically, open carry is NOT restricted- There are no laws I'm aware of that prohibit open carry specifically. What IS restricted by statute is carry of a loaded weapon in public (pc12031)and the carry of any weapons within a school zone w/out a license(626.9). And as you well know, its not lawful to conceal a firearm without a license.

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On a related topic, I know the p.c. that says "a gun holstered on the belt is not considered concealed." However, many CCW holders do in fact conceal firearms in belt holsters by wearing a shirt or jacket over it, or even inside waistband. Does anyone have any practical experience where LEO's have claimed that they are breaching their CCW permit by exposing their gun, even though it can't really be seen? Hmmm, you dont know how close you are to an answer. I will have to get back to you after I get an appointment to speak to the sheriff.

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Thank you both for the input.

Interesting. And I would be interested in that answer when you get to know about whether a belt hostered gun satisfies concealment requirements, even thouth it isn't considered concealed.

John

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TBJ wrote:

Thank you both for the input.

Interesting. And I would be interested in that answer when you get to know about whether a belt hostered gun satisfies concealment requirements, even thouth it isn't considered concealed.

John

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The language of the law is a little sloppy sometimes.

Itis possible to conceal a firearm in a belt holster by simply covering it, despite pc12025 (f) flatly declaring'not concealed'. On the flip side,I have found no statutory duty for anyone, a licensee included,to conceal their sidearm- (unless perhaps, an issuing agency makes it a restriction on the licence to carry (pc12050 (b)). Itis theaddition of'restrictions' on licenses and the regulation oflicenseeslawful behavior I will be seeking answers for.