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    I heard about that case a while ago but watched the video for the first time now.

    God bless that 72 year old guy! Wow! He definitely saved the woman's life.

    Tough shoot though. Very tough. Ifhe hits the woman, ugh. Bad news.

    I don't think he had a choice. No way to get closer fast enough.

    Good situation for laser grips...

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    That link does nothing for me, can you possibly just copy\paste the text? The military firewall doesn't let youtube through either.

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    here is another link

    http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/31883.html



    Wal-Mart shooting was first under concealed carry permit

    By ASSOCIATED PRESS
    August 30, 2005
    ALBUQUERQUE (AP) - A fatal shooting at an Albuquerque Wal-Mart last week was the state's first by someone with a concealed-carry gun permit, authorities said.

    Police said Felix Vigil was attacking his ex-wife with a knife near the store's deli counter where she worked when an armed customer intervened and shot him. The woman, Joyce Cordova, was treated for multiple stab wounds and later released from an Albuquerque hospital.

    The armed customer, 72-year-old Due Moore, was interviewed after the shooting last Thursday and released.

    Police spokeswoman Officer Trish Hoffman said it appeared the shooting was justified. However, it will be up to the district attorney to decide whether Moore, a volunteer with the police department's cold case unit, will be prosecuted.

    Moore could not be reached for comment.

    New Mexico allows citizens age 21 and over to carry concealed weapons if they complete firearms training and pass national and local criminal background checks.


    Moore's fatal shot was the first fired by someone with a permit, according to state Department of Public Safety spokesman Peter Olson. The state has issued more than 3,100 permits since the gun law went into effect Jan. 1, 2004.

    Moore took a class to get his permit just 13 days after the law went into effect, said Cody Patton, a manager at Calibre's National Shooters Sports Center in Albuquerque. That's where Moore was certified.

    "He was the fourth person ever to sign up for a permit," Patton said. "I've now done more than 300 of them."

    Patton said there has been a fair amount of interest in concealed-carry permits at his range _ in particular during the first four months after the law passed.

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    Mainsail wrote:
    That link does nothing for me, can you possibly just copypaste the text? The military firewall doesn't let youtube through either.
    +1

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    ChefSMW wrote:
    here is another link

    http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/31883.html



    Wal-Mart shooting was first under concealed carry permit (138 comments; last comment posted April 24, 2007 04:15 pm) print | ]http://www.freenewmexican.com%2Fnews%2F31883.html%0D%0D] email[/url] this story By ASSOCIATED PRESS
    August 30, 2005
    ALBUQUERQUE (AP) - A fatal shooting at an Albuquerque Wal-Mart last week was the state's first by someone with a concealed-carry gun permit, authorities said.

    Police said Felix Vigil was attacking his ex-wife with a knife near the store's deli counter where she worked when an armed customer intervened and shot him. The woman, Joyce Cordova, was treated for multiple stab wounds and later released from an Albuquerque hospital.

    The armed customer, 72-year-old Due Moore, was interviewed after the shooting last Thursday and released.

    Police spokeswoman Officer Trish Hoffman said it appeared the shooting was justified. However, it will be up to the district attorney to decide whether Moore, a volunteer with the police department's cold case unit, will be prosecuted.

    Moore could not be reached for comment.

    New Mexico allows citizens age 21 and over to carry concealed weapons if they complete firearms training and pass national and local criminal background checks.


    Moore's fatal shot was the first fired by someone with a permit, according to state Department of Public Safety spokesman Peter Olson. The state has issued more than 3,100 permits since the gun law went into effect Jan. 1, 2004.

    Moore took a class to get his permit just 13 days after the law went into effect, said Cody Patton, a manager at Calibre's National Shooters Sports Center in Albuquerque. That's where Moore was certified.

    "He was the fourth person ever to sign up for a permit," Patton said. "I've now done more than 300 of them."

    Patton said there has been a fair amount of interest in concealed-carry permits at his range _ in particular during the first four months after the law passed.
    Thank You (I couldn't see it either)

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    Dang slow computer=double post

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    Thanks tarzan1888. Now I can better understand the Situation.

    In Utah this would fall under

    Utah Code Section 76-2-402




    76-2-402. Force in defense of person -- Forcible felony defined. (1) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the ...
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    76-2-402. Force in defense of person -- Forcible felony defined.
    (1) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that force is necessary to defend himself or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, that person is justified in using force intended or likely to cause death or serious bodily injury only if he or she reasonably believes that force is necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury to himself or a third person as a result of the other's imminent use of unlawful force, or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.





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    An interesting twist to this story is the fact that - at the time - this was the only Walmart store in the Albuquerqe area that did not have the "No Firearms Allowed" signs up. In NM any store that posts signs like that has effectively cancelled any individual's CCW on their premesis.

    It's a great point for CCW - and very lucky for this woman.

    The reason why this store did not have the "No Guns" sign was because it does not "dispense" alcoholic drinks and the other Walmarts did. By NM law "dispense" was interpreted to mean "sell" in any form.

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    I don't know whether this particular Wal-Mart sold alcohol, but only since July 1 has New Mexico allowed individuals with concealed handgun licenses carry legally in establishments that sell alcohol for off-premises consumption. See HB 588. As Wal-Mart corporate policy supports allowing otherwise legal carry (open or concealed) according to the laws of the jurisdiction in which each store is located, many of their other stores in the area may need to change their signs.
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    Realize that this incident happened two years ago.

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