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Edit: Yikes, that got wordy. I guess the short version is that I asked the local PD about any firearm restrictions in city parks, and they told me I couldn't carry there, period, but couldn't quote an ordinance.. After I dug up the ordinances, and didn't find anything, I called them on it and they said they're still looking. :?....
Ok, I should give some quick background information on this whole thing, because it's becoming a thing. ugh....
My g/f's kid has soccer practice at the Havelock City Recreational Center. The gate for the rec center has a no concealed sign posted. When I went out there yesterday, we saw the sign and my g/f said "well, you've got it in your holster, that's not concealed
." I decided not to test it then, since I wasn't familiar with city property stuff. I decided I should find out if there were any restrictions on the city properties around here, including the rec. center, as well as Havelock City Park, which sits adjacent to the Havelock Police Station...
Anyway,I started asking questions. I accessed the city's website, and called the Havelock City Police Department. The woman I spoke with told me to call the Sheriff's Dept, as they are the ones that deal with this sort of thing. I called, and was quickly transfered back to, get this,Havelock city police department. Fortunately, however, a different person answered this time. The conversation went something like this:
Me:Well, I'mcalling to see if I can find out if there are any city ordinances that restrict otherwise legalfirearm possession in the city parks and recreational facilities.
Officer: Ok, are you saying there's someone with a gun in a park?
Me: Haha no, sir, I'm just asking for my own information.
Officer: well you need a permit.
Me: Yes, sir, to carry concealed you do. I'm actually referring more to openly carrying in this case, which, as you know, doesn't require a permit.
Officer: well are you talking about the park right next to us here?
Me: Yes, that park and any other city parks and property..
Officer: oh um ok well...ok what are you asking?
Me: I'm asking if there are any Havelock City Ordinances that restrict the possession of firearms, specifically at city parks and recreational facilities.
Officer: Ok, hold on.
--on hold for approx. 5 minutes--
Officer: Sir? I'm trying to find out for you, could you hold on another moment?
Me: no problem..
--on hold for approx. 2 minutes--
Officer: Sir? Ok I just spoke with one of my Lieutenants, and he said that you cannot have a firearm in the parks.
Me: Oh, allll right well, could you tell me the city ordinance that states that?
Officer: Well the lieutenant said..
Me: Perhaps the Lieutenant would know the ordinance?
Officer: That's something you'll have to talk to City Hall about. The number is ###-####. Ya know, I don't see why you'd want to have a gun in the park, ya know, with kids around.
Me: Well, hehe I wouldn't be too worried about the kids. I'd be carrying there for same reason I carry any where else: For the protection of myself and my family. (I added emphasis to the statement.)
Officer: ok well I uh...
Me: Tell ya what, I'll give the City Hall a call. Thank you.
Officer: Ok, have a good day.
So I called city hall. I had a brief conversation with the woman there, during which she expressed her her dis-taste for the police department and their inability to quote the ordinance. She took my info and said she'd call me back when she found something.
Once she had verified that it would indeed be an ordinance, I tried looking it up online. I found Havelock's city ordinances in their entirety, and proceeded to look for anything in reference to firearms, handguns, etc. The only thing I found were restrictions on discharging within city limits, and possessing "dangerous weapons" like switch blades and throwing stars, lol. So I called the woman at the city hall back discuss what I hadn't found. She agreed that there didn't seem to be anything, and that I should direct my question to the Chief of Police.
So while I was sitting here typing this out, the officer from earlier called me back. He said that they had sent an officer out to the rec. center to verify that there is, indeed, a sign that prohibits guns on the premises. I agreed, and clarified that this sign only restricted concealed weapons, not openly carried ones. The officer argued that it specifies concealed ones, since you'd obviously be stopped if you were carrying openly. I explained that there are many establishments that wish only to restrict concealed weapons, similar to that of the restrictions forfinancial institutions in this state. He was pretty much speechless at this point, so I continued to say that while that property had a sign, the local park, being an open area, had no signs. He said well yeah, but uh.....well we're looking into it. I told him to let me know when they find out something, and to have a nice day.
This really seems to me like there ISN'T any restriction. Rather,this police department apparently doesn't want to deal the law, and would sooner just make up their own rules.
What do you guys think?