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    So I was on the phone with my grandmother the other day, who was telling me how she worries about me carrying a firearm around with me all the time.

    She ended up telling me this story...

    http://nwitimes.com/articles/2007/08...2e000ae4da.txt

    Turns out my Uncle was playing pool at this bar when it happened, the shooter was one of his good friends...

    Apparently the man was drinking, which probably impaired his judgement in this.

    I think if you are taking on the responsibility of owning a firearm, you also need to take the responsibility of learning when lethal force is justified...



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    openryan wrote:
    I think if you are taking on the responsibility of owning a firearm, you also need to take the responsibility of learning when lethal force is justified...

    +1. and to be responsible if you are going to drink.

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    I agree with you 100%.

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    openryan wrote:
    So I was on the phone with my grandmother the other day, who was telling me how she worries about me carrying a firearm around with me all the time.

    She ended up telling me this story...

    http://nwitimes.com/articles/2007/08...2e000ae4da.txt

    Turns out my Uncle was playing pool at this bar when it happened, the shooter was one of his good friends...

    Apparently the man was drinking, which probably impaired his judgement in this.

    I think if you are taking on the responsibility of owning a firearm, you also need to take the responsibility of learning when lethal force is justified...


    Well the guy broke the window with something. Might he have been holding something? It doesn't say either way. He may have been in reasonable fear for his own life...we'll see if he attempts to prove that.


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    I carry a lot and if i am going to be out drinking at all, almost quicker than I worry about figuring out who is going to drive me I lock my gun in a safe in my room separate from any mags or ammunition and puta cable-lock through the gun. Iagree completely...If you want to have the right and ability to own and carry firearms, know how to have the ability to protect others rights and be responsible.

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    If this is all the police heard i dont know how theyarrived at amurder charge on this guy. Personally I would never carry my gun on me when im out drinking. Its an accident waiting to happen and alcoholremoves all yourcredability from the situation. But this guy might not have been drunk, walked outside, seen this guy...thought he saw a weapon in this guy's hand as he advances towards him. But then again, if he was drunk, stumbled outside, saw a guy in his car, got his attention. The guy squared up to him and he shot him. I think thats an obvious murder charge. The story is so vague in the paper I think its impossible for anyone to cast judgement on the situation. Leave that to the police and those who witnessed the act.

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    DreQo wrote:
    openryan wrote:
    So I was on the phone with my grandmother the other day, who was telling me how she worries about me carrying a firearm around with me all the time.

    She ended up telling me this story...

    http://nwitimes.com/articles/2007/08...2e000ae4da.txt

    Turns out my Uncle was playing pool at this bar when it happened, the shooter was one of his good friends...

    Apparently the man was drinking, which probably impaired his judgement in this.

    I think if you are taking on the responsibility of owning a firearm, you also need to take the responsibility of learning when lethal force is justified...


    Well the guy broke the window with something. Might he have been holding something? It doesn't say either way. He may have been in reasonable fear for his own life...we'll see if he attempts to prove that.
    Yes, but breaking into a car with no occupants does not fall under an acceptable reason for lethal force, this guy saw it happening from the bar across the street, he had ample time to retreat or call police, which he should have done, had he been aproaced by the guy after he damaged his vehicle, he would have had a better case.



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    It is sad that it has to be that way. If somebody is destroying or stealing your property no matter if it is your favorite bowling ball or your quarter million dollar super bike, they should be able to be stopped by any means necessary. They made the conscious decision to violate your belongings. They should live with (or not) whatever happens to them as a consequence of their actions.

    Yes, this sounds awfully harsh in our modern land of cumbyah, bubble wrap, safety nets, special protections, and political correctness, but if you won't defend your property or your rights you do not deserve them. People misunderstand ownership in this country. All rights are derived from the ownership of things. If you own nothing, you have no rights. If you at least own yourself, that's a good start. People who show ownership of themselves recognize the concept of "unalienable" rights for what they are--rights they have because they exist and own their mind & body.

    I've only included a small elaboration on why I made my first paragraph so I don't seem like a cold, heartless narcissist. If you want to get an idea of what ownership, rights, privileges, and freedom really are so you will be able to understand my other-than-normal non-bubble wrapped view, I suggest you watch this:
    It's seven hours long, but if you have any interest in being a real member of the United States instead of a sheep, you will take the time.

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