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    Officials reload to renew gun ban

    By David M. Brown
    TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Monday, September 10, 2007

    Some Ellwood City officials hope to take another shot at banning personal guns in the municipal building -- including the mayor's sidearm -- despite opposition from the National Rifle Association.
    The Lawrence County town of about 8,600 was one of two Western Pennsylvania communities that adopted gun restrictions on municipal property -- only to promptly rescind the controversial ordinances.
    Ellwood City Council President Glen Jones said a modified version of the measure will be discussed at a 6 p.m. meeting today. The session will determine if leaders want to enact the scaled-down legislation, which targets only the municipal building.
    "We just thought you shouldn't have any guns in the municipal building. You can't bring guns into the courthouse, the state office buildings, federal buildings, schools -- so we thought it was a good idea to include the municipal building," Jones said.

    Mayor Don Clyde, 76, has carried a gun since he was 21 and routinely totes a .38-caliber or .44-caliber handgun.
    "I haven't shot anybody," he said. "I'm responsible, as are most permit-holding people."
    Clyde said the effort to ban guns from the municipal building targets him personally.
    "Not necessarily," Jones responded.
    Jones and other council members said they worry the presence of guns in the borough building might spark deadly violence when tempers flare. The Ellwood City Power and Light office is in the same building, and it is not uncommon for a billing issue or shut-off notice to cause anger, Jones said.
    Councilman Anthony "Lefty" DeCarbo, a retired Ellwood City police officer, said he supports the ban but has reservations about whether it would withstand a court challenge.

    "I believe people should have a right to bear arms. I also believe that municipalities and communities have the right to regulate those guns to some degree," DeCarbo said.
    The ordinance that the council passed and rescinded in August would have banned possession of guns in the municipal building or other borough property, except by certified law-enforcement officers.
    John Hohenwarter, the NRA's Pennsylvania state liaison, contended in a letter to the mayor that the ordinance violated state law -- which allows only the state to establish gun and ammunition regulations, and prohibits local governments from establishing secondary laws.

    "The reason we rescinded it was because of the word 'property,' " Jones said. "We realized the word 'property' could mean streets, etc., and that was not our intent. I have nothing against the NRA. I think it's a fine organization. I just think we need to protect workers in the municipal building."
    Clyde promised to veto a new version, and Hohenwarter predicted a defeat in court.
    "It would still be contrary to state law. A public building is still part of the public domain," Hohenwarter said. "This is unusual for a township or borough to pass an ordinance, knowing it is at odds with our state pre-emption law."
    In Washington County, Peters officials recently rescinded a similar ordinance for that reason. The ordinance was spurred by complaints of guns being fired near Peters Lake and a firearm being carried into a zoning-hearing board meeting this summer. The ordinance would have banned guns from most township-owned building and parks.

    Several opponents spoke against the gun ban at a public meeting, and complaints spread on an NRA Web site, said Peters Solicitor William A. Johnson.
    The ordinance was rescinded after a review of state law that states: "No county, municipality or township may in any manner regulate the lawful ownership, possession, transfer or transportation of firearms, ammunition or ammunition components when carried or transported for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this Commonwealth."

    Peters officials don't plan to consider an amended version, Johnson said.
    "Their intentions were appropriate, and they had a legitimate concern with the safety of the buildings, but unfortunately it appears their authorization to act is pre-empted," the solicitor said.

    David M. Brown can be reached at dbrown@tribweb.com or 412-380-5614.




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    I guess that they are not worried that any LEOs will get their electricshut off and become emotional with their guns. Its just the rest of us that are unable to control our emotions and actions. I may be way out on a limb here but I do not think that banning guns in the building is going to prevent someone from bringing a gun in and shooting the place up if that is what they decide to do.

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    Mike wrote:
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    Officials reload to renew gun ban

    By David M. Brown
    TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Monday, September 10, 2007


    Jones and other council members said they worry the presence of guns in the borough building might spark deadly violence when tempers flare. The Ellwood City Power and Light office is in the same building, and it is not uncommon for a billing issue or shut-off notice to cause anger, Jones said.


    Does this same potential problem cause a high turnover at the Ellwood city police department?

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    What can we do about this?? How can we get it to end? Has anyone mentioned that by undermining the US Constitution that are guilty of treason? If they knew this to be a serious matter would they proceed as so? And can we contact the AG and get him to file such charges if they wish to proceed?

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    There is a council meeting Monday night at which they may consider another gun ban - can any attend and see what they do and be prepared to speak against to the council (if allowed) or to reporters?

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    If I'm not mistaken, this law has officially been passed and is just waiting the veto, which will be overturned.

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