HankT I don't want this to turn into a contest of wits anymore than you do. I think we have a difference of opinion and in the end will have to agree to disagree.
You have your right to your opinion and I would gladly give my life for your to have that ability.
And I meant that. You have a God given right to your opinion and I am not here to but heads and change your view I am here to express my own.
But you cannot deny what they have mainly accomplished during that time.
I do therefore I can. I can
say whatever I choose it doesn't make it right or wrong it makes it my opinion. That opinion is my right as is anyones.
Hmmm, we went from the start of my inquiry, your statement that you "do not feel that the number of guns [270 million]in the US ismainly thanks to them
to, and here is the sleight of hand in wordsmithing, to your presumption that the fair question back to me is whether I believe "that number of firearms in America only
because of the NRA??" How did it shift to only
? LOL. Straw man No. 3.
It was not a fair question back. It was a question based on assumption that althought you feel strongly about the NRA you would not entrap yourself by answering yes. I never for a second thought that you would believe that only the NRA is responsible for the number of firearms in the US. It is not a straw man as you put it. It was a question of self denial. You give off an air that the NRA is blameless and that all who appose are apposed to the very thing they stand for. And no one in this thread has said as much. I as well as others here have stated over and over that we do not feel that the NRA is 100% correct in their decisions and statements and ideals.
Straw man No. 2. No one is saying, least of all me, that NRA = Jehovah. Called.
That is picking and choosing words from my quote.
But I will not and do not feel that the NRA is the jehovah of the 2A.
I never stated you felt that way. And I never stated that the NRA was Jehovah. I stated that some acted as if they were the jehovah of the 2A(Second Amendment). And they are not. To be THE
and that would indeed be incorrect. And although they have done a great deal in aspects of supporting and defending the 2A they have not been the savior. You and I have and that is what many seem to forget. It has never been the NRA it has been members like you and others who have voiced your opinion and made clear your demands. They have only relayed to the appropirate authorities our thoughts. We could have and can do without them. But sticking $20 in a envolope is easier.
They have fought society, culture and politics to make them the most effective lobbying group in the history of this country.
Data that suggests that??? I'm sure there are far more powerful lobby'ist out there. But that is irrelevant. I point this out because you have let emotions get in the way of civil discussion. I nor any other person who have mentioned any wrong the NRA has or does do has not condemned it as a whole. I have intoned my like and support for the NRA repeatedly but none of that was quoted and thrown back at me. Kelly J has intoned many of the same thoughts. No one here is out to ruin the NRA or sway anyones opinions. I state what I state as my opinion be it flawed or not it is only my own. I have not personally attacked any member of this board and you will never see me do so.
You use a"Straw man" term for my thoughts and opinions. I would take that as a lack fo respect for what I said. You do not have to respect my opinions but you don't have to belittle them either.
For some reason, it is extremely difficult for NRA bashers and critics to acknowledgethat simple fact. But the irony is, their criticisms would carry more weight if they could just acknowledge it. But they can't, for they've entered the realm of ideological extremism...
If you do not ask questions you will not receive answers. I question everything, I question the motives of everyone around me for the simple reason that I want to know why or what compells anyone for any reason. I will not be bound to blindly follow any one organization with any beliefs on anything. I will criticise any and all who claim to defend me. And all who are against me because I want to see my flaws and compare them with my reason.
There is no one alive ever, who has not changed their opinion in favor of an idea more in line with their own beliefs. I have strongly believed in things before until I examined that statements against that belief and have found them more conclusive in solving said problem or notion.
I have expressed qualms with the NRA, I have expressed support. I like and dislike aspects of the NRA I cannot make it any clearer.
So in ending I want to say again. HankT I respect your opinion and value your thoughts but my own differ and until I find probable cause to change that, we will have come to a empass.