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    And when I say unarmed I mean unarmed. Something to think about when defending yourself against an unarmed intruder.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20844553/

    SNELLVILLE, Ga. - Police are investigating the death of a man who collapsed after he was head-butted by an armless man in a fight over a woman. Snellville Police Chief Roy Whitehead said the two men, Charles Keith Teer and William Russell Redfern, scuffled Monday afternoon in the driveway of a suburban Atlanta home.

    Police say Redfern, who was born with no right arm and only a short stump for his left arm, kicked Teer and Teer hit Redfern during the fight, which was due to long-standing bad blood over a woman who once dated Teer and now dates Redfern.

    After bystanders separated them, Redfern "came back and head-butted (Teer) one time," Whitehead said.


    Teer complained of feeling dizzy, collapsed and died, Whitehead said.
    After the fight, Redfern and the woman got into his truck and drove to the Snellville police station, Whitehead said. He said the couple had called 911 to report the dispute, then told the operator they needed an ambulance after Teer collapsed

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    >>After the fight, Redfern and the woman got into his truck and drove to the Snellville police station, Whitehead said.<<

    let's just hope it was the woman drivng :shock:

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    I guess that Teer figured that since Redfern was 'armless,so to speak,it would be safe to give him a smack!

    I just could not resist, please excuse the warped and bloodthirsty humour from the Kentucky members!

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    PT111 wrote:
    And when I say unarmed I mean unarmed. Something to think about when defending yourself against an unarmed intruder.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20844553/

    SNELLVILLE, Ga. - Police are investigating the death of a man who collapsed after he was head-butted by an armless man in a fight over a woman. Snellville Police Chief Roy Whitehead said the two men, Charles Keith Teer and William Russell Redfern, scuffled Monday afternoon in the driveway of a suburban Atlanta home.

    Police say Redfern, who was born with no right arm and only a short stump for his left arm, kicked Teer and Teer hit Redfern during the fight, which was due to long-standing bad blood over a woman who once dated Teer and now dates Redfern.

    After bystanders separated them, Redfern "came back and head-butted (Teer) one time," Whitehead said.


    Teer complained of feeling dizzy, collapsed and died...
    Never shoot a man who has no arms. Never.

    Give up the woman. Take a beat down if you must.

    But if you shoot a man who has no arms you will be verysorry.



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    Shooting a handicapped person would not end well, especially without substantial evidence that they were capable of inflicting serious harm which you were unable to prevent.

    In the case of the 'unarmed' man... I would think that just closing a door between you and him would be sufficient, let him head-butt the door for a while.

    Getting into an altercation at all with an obviouslyhandicapped person is just asking for it... I think this is one scenario in which Hank's postulate consistently applies. Don't shoot people who don't have arms.

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    If you think like a Statist, act like one, or back some, you've given up on freedom and have gone over to the dark side.
    The easiest ex. but probably the most difficult to grasp for gun owners is that fool permission slip so many of you have, especially if you show it off with pride. You should recognize it as an embarrassment, an infringement, a travesty and an affront to a free person.


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    As my friend Mr. Wizzle put it...
    how the do you lose a fight to a guy WITH NO IN' ARMS???
    :shock:
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Agent19 wrote:
    we should probably add Blind persons tothatlist of don't shoot

    disable a good limb then move on

    Gotta watch those Blind people!

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...52C0A9679C8B63

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    Previously in Texas it was forbidden to use any type of light while hunting however there has never been a restriction on giving hunting licenses to the blind or legally blind. Under the new bill, the legally blind hunters will be allowed to use laser sights when accompanied by a licensed and sighted hunter over 13, however it still has to pass the state senate.


    http://www.associatedcontent.com/art..._in_texas.html

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    Obviously, this situation requires a man with a good head on his shoulders, lest he find himself in the arms of the law. After all, you wouldn't want "stupid" stamped on your forehead. Many stiff-necked people may get into trouble in a situation like this. Jail canbe a tough place, as you may not have access to your usual head-banging heavy metal CDs or your choice of shampoo, such as Head and Shoulders....

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    Obviously, this situation requires a man with a good head on his shoulders, lest he find himself in the arms of the law. After all, you wouldn't want "stupid" stamped on your forehead. Many stiff-necked people may get into trouble in a situation like this. Jail canbe a tough place, as you may not have access to your usual head-banging heavy metal CDs or your choice of shampoo, such as Head and Shoulders....
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    Leave. It's the first defensive move they will teach you in any martial art.

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    expvideo wrote:
    Leave. It's the first defensive move they will teach you in any martial art.
    It's a wise move, definitely, if possible. And it is usually possible.

    Some people just can't do it, however. It could be an unarmed guy (with arms)who has no legs who is getting threatening ....and some here would still figure out a rationale to stick around and be ready to neutralize the threat....:P

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    The easiest ex. but probably the most difficult to grasp for gun owners is that fool permission slip so many of you have, especially if you show it off with pride. You should recognize it as an embarrassment, an infringement, a travesty and an affront to a free person.


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    I work for the Veterans Administration. When I was in Loma Linda, Ca. there was a young lady there that was born without any arms. She did everything with her feet.

    Drive, eat, write and yes Shoot.... so just because someone one is born with a disability doesn't mean they are disabled...

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    HankT wrote:

    Never shoot a man who has no arms. Never.

    Unless, of course, he has a gun in his mouth.

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    tarzan1888 wrote:
    HankT wrote:

    Never shoot a man who has no arms. Never.

    Unless, of course, he has a gun in his mouth.
    Pointed where?

    Funny story, real quick. What do you do if you're the cvops and there is aa guy who has a gun pointed at his head?

    True story. Georgia, Florida, somewhere in the SE a year or so ago...

    Some mope walks into a convenience store in early evening. Grabs a beer from cooler. Opens it, starts drinking. Clerk says, "Hey buddy, you gotta pay for dat." Mope says, "No, I don't and I'm taking another one!" Mope pulls out loaded handgun and reaches into cooler for 2nd brewski.

    Clerk flees and calls cops.First cops arrive. Guyputshandgun to head, sayshe will shoot himself if cops try to get him. He gets another beer. And cigarettes. He smokes anddrinkswith gun to his head.

    More cops arrive. Tac squad, everybody. Tie up entire main street for hours. They're deployed all around this guy. A plannin' on what to do...

    Finally, the mope momentarily drops his hand to fumble with lighting a cigarette. Cop sees the opening! Shoots him with rifle.

    Community saved again.... case solved.

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    HankT,

    Richard Pryor once said" ego will heal in 3-4 days and broken jaw 3-4 weeks

    If you think like a Statist, act like one, or back some, you've given up on freedom and have gone over to the dark side.
    The easiest ex. but probably the most difficult to grasp for gun owners is that fool permission slip so many of you have, especially if you show it off with pride. You should recognize it as an embarrassment, an infringement, a travesty and an affront to a free person.


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    A few years ago a good friend of mine called her brother up and told him that if he didn't come get his dog out of her yard, she was going to shoot the dog and she had heard on the TV that there wasn't a thing he could do about it. Bad thing was she was absolutely correct in that the SCOTUS that day had ruled that people with an IQ of less than 60 could not he held liable for their actions. Hersis 58 and she knew it. Hopefully she knows not to kill someone but she does know that she can't be held responsible. A very scary thought :what:and I try to keep on her good side. Dealing with people with people with disabilities can be very tricky.

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    PT111 wrote:
    ...the SCOUS that day had ruled that people with an IQ of less than 60 could not he held liable for their actions...

    Hmmm... that explains alot of things that go on in our government unchecked...

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    HankT wrote:
    ....What do you do if you're the cvops and there is aa guy who has a gun pointed at his head? ....
    Shoot him in the leg, and then while he is distracted, disarm him. :celebrate





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    That's it, this thread has gotten totally out of hand...



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    PavePusher wrote:
    That's it, this thread has gotten totally out of hand...

    Ya-Think?

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    HankT wrote:
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    And when I say unarmed I mean unarmed. Something to think about when defending yourself against an unarmed intruder.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20844553/

    SNELLVILLE, Ga. - Police are investigating the death of a man who collapsed after he was head-butted by an armless man in a fight over a woman. Snellville Police Chief Roy Whitehead said the two men, Charles Keith Teer and William Russell Redfern, scuffled Monday afternoon in the driveway of a suburban Atlanta home.

    Police say Redfern, who was born with no right arm and only a short stump for his left arm, kicked Teer and Teer hit Redfern during the fight, which was due to long-standing bad blood over a woman who once dated Teer and now dates Redfern.

    After bystanders separated them, Redfern "came back and head-butted (Teer) one time," Whitehead said.


    Teer complained of feeling dizzy, collapsed and died...
    Never shoot a man who has no arms. Never.

    Give up the woman. Take a beat down if you must.

    But if you shoot a man who has no arms you will be verysorry.

    why not? Grandma's just as capable as taking you out as a shitbag criminal

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    Saying that your assailant has to be armed is just another way for the state to punish you, the victim, for turning to a gun instead of to the state. It lets the good guys know ahead of time than context and circumstance don't enter into it.

    What they fail to realize is that the person IS armed. Not because they have a thick skull or big hands (though these are true too) but because YOUR gun is there. If you don't take control of it at the onset of danger, they might.

    Besides that, unless they are naked, how do we know that they're unarmed? We know that action is faster than reaction. We know that our assailant has expressed a willingness to overstep the line of decency and into the realm of force.

    Finally, if they are truly unarmed, the very presentation of the gun will send them running. Or if they are armed, YOU have the drop now. Laws saying your assailant has to be armed are ********. Because what if he is unarmed and instead of running at the sight of your gun, tries to wrestle it from you? Not likely, but what if? Not that he's escalated the ecounter, you have to shoot to stop him. All the ******** laws will see is that he ONCE was unarmed and you shot him. Bad dog! When that couldn't be further from the truth.

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