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Another case of our freedom of speech going out the window
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swoulter
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I think the kid deserved that for acting like an idiot. He was only supposed to ask one question, asked three and wouldn't let Kerry answer the first. And when being escorted out he acts like an idiot. Then he resist arrest when he doesn’t comply, he is struggling not to be cuffed when he is tazed. Last thing is that kid is a known trouble maker that purposely makes a scene, he even had one of his own friends videotape it. Now I am not saying the police were justified in tazing him, but I sure did enjoy that a punk got it good for acting like a child.:celebrate And there was a fine line between freedom of speech and being disorderly in that QA forum and I thought he crossed it.
"don’t taz me bro"
I think the kid deserved that for acting like an idiot. He was only supposed to ask one question, asked three and wouldn't let Kerry answer the first. And when being escorted out he acts like an idiot. Then he resist arrest when he doesn’t comply, he is struggling not to be cuffed when he is tazed. Last thing is that kid is a known trouble maker that purposely makes a scene, he even had one of his own friends videotape it. Now I am not saying the police were justified in tazing him, but I sure did enjoy that a punk got it good for acting like a child.:celebrate And there was a fine line between freedom of speech and being disorderly in that QA forum and I thought he crossed it.
"don’t taz me bro"
imperialism2024
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dreamcro
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First off, I don't care for John Kerry at all!
But the kid over stepped his bounds in the resisting and being disorderly.
The Tazer was a bit much.
Bill O'Reilly has the "Dont' Taze me, Bro" bumper stickers for sale.
First off, I don't care for John Kerry at all!
But the kid over stepped his bounds in the resisting and being disorderly.
The Tazer was a bit much.
Bill O'Reilly has the "Dont' Taze me, Bro" bumper stickers for sale.
1stGlock36
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dreamcro wrote:
dreamcro wrote:
You say he overstepped his boundaries but that would be your own oppinion. what would be the point of ever trying to speak your mind and express your own opinion.even Kerry said he didn't feel threatened of offended. So i assume we should all conform to eachother and only say thing that all would want to hear. If Kerry was offended he also had his freedom to tell the kidd to shut it if he didn't want hear it...... What would be the point of these speeches and public question times if they didn't have the freedom to ask the questions that you wanted to hear of not. Maybe next time kerry should give the audience the questions to ask and then this wont have to happen again. i say more power to the kidd and lock up the two initial cops that put their hands on him. 1ST FREEDOM OF SPEECH, THEN FAULSE ARREST, THEN TOP IT ALL OFF WITH A LITTLE POLICE BRUTALITY. i know you have the same thought in you head when you hear someone talking about things that you done agree with but they have their right to do so. i could see if he was bashing his nationality, race, gender in a utterly negative way he should be put to silence for harassment. Just think how you would feel if someone silenced you when you were trying to express your beliefs.First off, I don't care for John Kerry at all!
But the kid over stepped his bounds in the resisting and being disorderly.
The Tazer was a bit much.
Bill O'Reilly has the "Dont' Taze me, Bro" bumper stickers for sale.
mzbk2l
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I'm in the "that jerkoff deserved it" camp. Read this column from the Detroit Free Press:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070923/COL01/709230647/1082
A hero or a fool? Or a sign of the times?
September 23, 2007
BY MITCH ALBOM
FREE PRESS COLUMNIST
Free speech is a vital issue. Civil rights is a vital issue. Police brutality is a vital issue.
But when Andrew Meyer, a 21-year-old University of Florida student, was rude, disruptive and got dragged off and Tasered by police -- after being warned and still resisting -- I'm not sure THAT was a vital issue.
Oh, you wouldn't know it from the coverage. For a white-hot 24 hours, this was all you saw on cable TV and -- more important to Meyer's generation -- YouTube, where it shot to the top. There was Meyer, shouting questions at Sen. John Kerry, then being led away by police, then squirming and resisting, then going down in a pile and screaming "Don't Tase me, bro!" (even though one of the officers was a woman).
At first watch, it was disturbing.
But it didn't take long before "Don't Tase Me Bro" T-shirts were selling on the Internet, and news had leaked of Meyer's history of practical jokes filmed for his Web site.
And you began to wonder, as I find myself doing more and more these days, what exactly we had just seen.
A bizarre chain of events
Let's be clear about the behavior in Meyer's case. The question-and-answer period from Kerry's lecture was over; Meyer insisted on asking his question anyhow. He was told one question; he asked at least three. He was told to stop; he refused. The mike was turned off; he complained. He was led away by police; he resisted. He was told if he continued, he would be Tasered; he was.
In other words, there were numerous points at which Meyer, had he acted differently, might not have been jolted or tossed in jail for a night. Still, his supporters suggest that his principle was a higher cause.
Well, I agree free speech in the shadow of authoritarian violence is a high cause. Tiananmen Square. Kent State. The march in Selma. But to liken Meyer to any of those is to cheapen them and elevate him.
Here are the "crucial" questions Meyer insisted on disturbing the event over: Why Kerry didn't fight harder to challenge the 2004 election, impeaching President George W. Bush, and did Kerry and Bush belong to the Skull and Bones society at Yale.
Hardly new material. Meyer also told Kerry about a book he thought he should read. Not exactly "We Shall Overcome."
What I'm saying is, there are things that are worth fighting police over and there are things that are not. Once you've acted rudely, taken advantage of your opportunity, and the only "issue" is you not getting your very average questions answered -- maybe this is one of the "nots."
The state of our society
Now, having said that -- and please read this carefully -- the police were wrong to have used the Taser. They had the kid under control. It was overkill. Which is why two officers have been placed on leave.
But you know what's scarier than that? We don't know -- and maybe never will -- if the whole thing was done to get attention. It sure appeared on YouTube quickly enough. And while Meyer, through his lawyer on TV this past week, claimed attention wasn't his motivation, once you've had yourself filmed and displayed on your Web site before, you leave it open to question.
Honestly, in this world of reality TV, the questions never end. There was a book 10 years ago called "Eyewitness To History" that collected the rare accounts of encounters with people as distant as Attila the Hun and Napoleon.
Today, everyone is an Eyewitness To History -- to nearly everything -- yet we don't know what we're seeing. Just because something is on tape doesn't mean it wasn't staged or edited. Just last week, an audio recording of O.J. Simpson in an alleged memorabilia robbery was later accused of being doctored -- this after every major media outlet had played it countless times.
As for Meyer, who knows? It may seem like it was overreacting (his screaming "Owwww!" or bolting back down the aisle after he had been led to the door). And if getting famous for 15 seconds was his wish, well, wish granted.
But as for Andrew Meyer, Hero, Champion of Free Speech? Sorry. But as they say in sports, I'll need to check the videotape.
I'm in the "that jerkoff deserved it" camp. Read this column from the Detroit Free Press:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070923/COL01/709230647/1082
A hero or a fool? Or a sign of the times?
September 23, 2007
BY MITCH ALBOM
FREE PRESS COLUMNIST
Free speech is a vital issue. Civil rights is a vital issue. Police brutality is a vital issue.
But when Andrew Meyer, a 21-year-old University of Florida student, was rude, disruptive and got dragged off and Tasered by police -- after being warned and still resisting -- I'm not sure THAT was a vital issue.
Oh, you wouldn't know it from the coverage. For a white-hot 24 hours, this was all you saw on cable TV and -- more important to Meyer's generation -- YouTube, where it shot to the top. There was Meyer, shouting questions at Sen. John Kerry, then being led away by police, then squirming and resisting, then going down in a pile and screaming "Don't Tase me, bro!" (even though one of the officers was a woman).
At first watch, it was disturbing.
But it didn't take long before "Don't Tase Me Bro" T-shirts were selling on the Internet, and news had leaked of Meyer's history of practical jokes filmed for his Web site.
And you began to wonder, as I find myself doing more and more these days, what exactly we had just seen.
A bizarre chain of events
Let's be clear about the behavior in Meyer's case. The question-and-answer period from Kerry's lecture was over; Meyer insisted on asking his question anyhow. He was told one question; he asked at least three. He was told to stop; he refused. The mike was turned off; he complained. He was led away by police; he resisted. He was told if he continued, he would be Tasered; he was.
In other words, there were numerous points at which Meyer, had he acted differently, might not have been jolted or tossed in jail for a night. Still, his supporters suggest that his principle was a higher cause.
Well, I agree free speech in the shadow of authoritarian violence is a high cause. Tiananmen Square. Kent State. The march in Selma. But to liken Meyer to any of those is to cheapen them and elevate him.
Here are the "crucial" questions Meyer insisted on disturbing the event over: Why Kerry didn't fight harder to challenge the 2004 election, impeaching President George W. Bush, and did Kerry and Bush belong to the Skull and Bones society at Yale.
Hardly new material. Meyer also told Kerry about a book he thought he should read. Not exactly "We Shall Overcome."
What I'm saying is, there are things that are worth fighting police over and there are things that are not. Once you've acted rudely, taken advantage of your opportunity, and the only "issue" is you not getting your very average questions answered -- maybe this is one of the "nots."
The state of our society
Now, having said that -- and please read this carefully -- the police were wrong to have used the Taser. They had the kid under control. It was overkill. Which is why two officers have been placed on leave.
But you know what's scarier than that? We don't know -- and maybe never will -- if the whole thing was done to get attention. It sure appeared on YouTube quickly enough. And while Meyer, through his lawyer on TV this past week, claimed attention wasn't his motivation, once you've had yourself filmed and displayed on your Web site before, you leave it open to question.
Honestly, in this world of reality TV, the questions never end. There was a book 10 years ago called "Eyewitness To History" that collected the rare accounts of encounters with people as distant as Attila the Hun and Napoleon.
Today, everyone is an Eyewitness To History -- to nearly everything -- yet we don't know what we're seeing. Just because something is on tape doesn't mean it wasn't staged or edited. Just last week, an audio recording of O.J. Simpson in an alleged memorabilia robbery was later accused of being doctored -- this after every major media outlet had played it countless times.
As for Meyer, who knows? It may seem like it was overreacting (his screaming "Owwww!" or bolting back down the aisle after he had been led to the door). And if getting famous for 15 seconds was his wish, well, wish granted.
But as for Andrew Meyer, Hero, Champion of Free Speech? Sorry. But as they say in sports, I'll need to check the videotape.
cvc
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Another example of ourhighlymotivatedJack-Booted Government Thugs....shredding the US Constitution, replacing it with the North American Police State.
I hope this guy win's a big, fat lawsuit.
Another example of ourhighlymotivatedJack-Booted Government Thugs....shredding the US Constitution, replacing it with the North American Police State.
I hope this guy win's a big, fat lawsuit.
mzbk2l
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cvc wrote:
So I can take it that you didn't read the column I posted?
The only thing this guy should win is a swift kick in the pants for being an @sshole.
cvc wrote:
Another example of ourhighlymotivatedJack-Booted Government Thugs....shredding the US Constitution, replacing it with the North American Police State.
I hope this guy win's a big, fat lawsuit.
So I can take it that you didn't read the column I posted?
The only thing this guy should win is a swift kick in the pants for being an @sshole.
iloveguns
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It is freedom of speech, but if you are out of control and they are telling you to stop nicely in the first place, then stop. It wouldn't have to come to tazing! He deserved it.
It is freedom of speech, but if you are out of control and they are telling you to stop nicely in the first place, then stop. It wouldn't have to come to tazing! He deserved it.