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Deovin1 wrote:
HankT you say that he was lucky he didn't kill the idiot but I was going to say that the idiot was lucky he didn't get killed. In Oregon he had every right and perfect cause to kill the guy.Yev showed a lot more control than some people would have. I think in this case that guy should be thanking Yev for not opening the door and shooting him in the chest.
This guy smashed his body against the door at least 7 times. The frame was falling in and the door was totally bent in. If this guy wasn't intent on harming this family then why did he continue? Unarmed you say?
I teach my students to understand that anyone with the ability to do you harm is armed. This guy had a 2 day old baby and a wife to think about, the last thing he needed was an out of control drunkguy coming into the house. That guy was not only a threat but a deadly threat. Did he need to prove that in order for you to justify shooting?
I think the moral of the story is, don't body slam ANY door, especially if you don't know English
No reason why we cannot
both be right, D1. The drunk certainly put himself into a situation where he could get hisself killed. But the guy was not only unarmed, he was blotto drunk. Hey, that's an interesting point, come to think of it. Gerasimenko
had to know the guy was drunk. So, that's a clue that the guy might have been, well, might have been a drunken lout looking for his own place or something. Could he be a danger? Sure. And, certainly if the drunk had some intent to do harm to the guy, the wife, or the 2-day old baby, then fine--
You can have him...give us Barabas.
But the odds are, far more likely, that he's just a
goof with a drunk on. Gerasimenkowould likely have legal justification for killing thebastard. Butthat doesn't conclusively make it
a good idea.Killing a man who is
really presenting a threat to you and yours is
a good idea. Killing a man who is drunk and presents no
real threat (is just making interpreted sounds like he is) is
not that great of an idea. How do you tell the difference? Good question, that.
Killing unarmed and blotto drunkgoofs is simply not a great idea. It should be avoided if at all possible. Shooting them is not all that great either but at least it's not that bad. Shooting people is a serious thing. Very serious. It should be done only when absolutely necessary. The converse is true, too. It should be done every time it is necessary. I don't see that Gerasimenko did very well at all in his incident.
BTW, D1, do you teach your students to fire multiple warning shots through doors into apartment hallways at thigh height level?
Just wonderin'.