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Oakton OC Dinner - 2007
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vrwmiller
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cmg266 wrote:
What I take away from this is if I find myself or have an opportunity to be in or around Oakton, I will be sure to OC. Another thing I have taken away from the recent stops/incidents is that the 911 call-takers/dispatchers need to ask more questions about what is going on. It only makes sense to get as much information as possible because LEO lives could 'potentially' be on the line and they need everything they can get in order to respond appropriately.
Just because OC is less unusual in a particular municipality does not necessarily mean that people won't call 911. Therefore, more needs to be done further up the line. Dispatchers and call-takers need to know the law and have the capacity to inform the public calling what is lawful and what is not.
cmg266 wrote:
I agree. The more OC is done, the less unusual it is for someone to see someone with a gun. Is the appropriate response to bring 20 people to a local restaurant for dinner an appropriate response? I don't know...maybe it is, maybe it isn't....it's all in the perception.
What I take away from this is if I find myself or have an opportunity to be in or around Oakton, I will be sure to OC. Another thing I have taken away from the recent stops/incidents is that the 911 call-takers/dispatchers need to ask more questions about what is going on. It only makes sense to get as much information as possible because LEO lives could 'potentially' be on the line and they need everything they can get in order to respond appropriately.
Just because OC is less unusual in a particular municipality does not necessarily mean that people won't call 911. Therefore, more needs to be done further up the line. Dispatchers and call-takers need to know the law and have the capacity to inform the public calling what is lawful and what is not.
Marco
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sjhipple
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Agent19 wrote:
This seems unnecessary. There are OC dinners all the time and no one goes and gets permission beforehand. I see no reason not to just go, enjoy an evening, and assume the cops will follow the law. If they don't, show them the law and they'll eventually leave. After that, each person eating can file their own complaint.
What's the big deal? Why treat this dinner different than any other?
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it seems going around kissing the PD's butt is re-enforcing bad behavior. We don't go around checking in with other PD's....why do it with the bad behaved ones? This is just plain, f***ing stupid. They'll figure out OCers are there soon enough, judging by the volume of phone calls.
Citizen, it's not a one or the other. People can go eat dinner AND go about the normal diplomatic routes.
Agent19 wrote:
This seems unnecessary. There are OC dinners all the time and no one goes and gets permission beforehand. I see no reason not to just go, enjoy an evening, and assume the cops will follow the law. If they don't, show them the law and they'll eventually leave. After that, each person eating can file their own complaint.
What's the big deal? Why treat this dinner different than any other?
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it seems going around kissing the PD's butt is re-enforcing bad behavior. We don't go around checking in with other PD's....why do it with the bad behaved ones? This is just plain, f***ing stupid. They'll figure out OCers are there soon enough, judging by the volume of phone calls.
Citizen, it's not a one or the other. People can go eat dinner AND go about the normal diplomatic routes.
Marco
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no need for harsh words.
:?:?
no need for harsh words.
:?:?
sjhipple
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How about if any individual wants to get permission to enter Oakton, they can do so on an individual basis rather than doing it for the whole group.
This whole idea seems perposterous :quirky. It's a good idea to educate local PD, but seems a horrible idea to act like we're doing something wrong by "warning" them ahead of time. It's an especially horrible idea to do it for the worst behaved PD's and not the best behaved.
when they have enough incidents and complaints, they'll check the damn law themselves and figure it out.
PS: I should be there.
How about if any individual wants to get permission to enter Oakton, they can do so on an individual basis rather than doing it for the whole group.
This whole idea seems perposterous :quirky. It's a good idea to educate local PD, but seems a horrible idea to act like we're doing something wrong by "warning" them ahead of time. It's an especially horrible idea to do it for the worst behaved PD's and not the best behaved.
when they have enough incidents and complaints, they'll check the damn law themselves and figure it out.
PS: I should be there.
longwatch
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Since we never have made it a policy to give the police a heads up about exercising our rights I don't think we should start now. OTOH if in the event that someone starts giving the OC diners a hard time ala Tonys, I say then you should give them a call. Given the track record of FCPD I'd say this past incident was just a fluke. Nevertheless it doesn't hurt for us to have get togethers, put me down as a maybe for Sunday.
Since we never have made it a policy to give the police a heads up about exercising our rights I don't think we should start now. OTOH if in the event that someone starts giving the OC diners a hard time ala Tonys, I say then you should give them a call. Given the track record of FCPD I'd say this past incident was just a fluke. Nevertheless it doesn't hurt for us to have get togethers, put me down as a maybe for Sunday.
Marco
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Mr. Y
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It was kind of in your face to assault the citizen and original poster.
If you do call, make sure they know that they'll be on video and audio tape and this tape won't be "conveniently lost" or taped over.
It was kind of in your face to assault the citizen and original poster.
If you do call, make sure they know that they'll be on video and audio tape and this tape won't be "conveniently lost" or taped over.
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Remember, letting police know - calling attention in any way - is what groups do when they WANT attention.
The purpose of these dinners has been to allow a group of people to meet face-to-face, have a pleasant meal, talk to one another, and socialize. The idea is NOT to provoke anything.
Still not sure whether we'll attend or not; I just got back late last night from a business trip,and much will depend on how much I get done over the weekend.
Remember, letting police know - calling attention in any way - is what groups do when they WANT attention.
The purpose of these dinners has been to allow a group of people to meet face-to-face, have a pleasant meal, talk to one another, and socialize. The idea is NOT to provoke anything.
Still not sure whether we'll attend or not; I just got back late last night from a business trip,and much will depend on how much I get done over the weekend.
Mr. Y
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The Mrs & I plan to be there.
The Mrs & I plan to be there.
IanB
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Make sure y'all bring your voice recorders, if we don't show up with 5 or more I'm not gonna be happy!
Make sure y'all bring your voice recorders, if we don't show up with 5 or more I'm not gonna be happy!
vrwmiller
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So, how did dinner go?
So, how did dinner go?
TrueBrit
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ama-gi wrote:
No concern of mine whether the cops are notified in advance or not of an OC dinner, but it sets a dangerous precedent, IMHO. Bear this in mind:
FREE MEN DO NOT ASK PERMISSION TO OBEY THE LAW!
A little quote from Mr. Stollenwerk, if I remember correctly!
TrueBrit.
ama-gi wrote:
No concern of mine whether the cops are notified in advance or not of an OC dinner, but it sets a dangerous precedent, IMHO. Bear this in mind:
FREE MEN DO NOT ASK PERMISSION TO OBEY THE LAW!
A little quote from Mr. Stollenwerk, if I remember correctly!
TrueBrit.
Marco
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sjhipple
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Agent19 wrote:
Why are you so insistant that we go around asking permission like children?? Isn't the reason we open carry to show the world that it's not criminal?? Asking permission is you saying that you think there's something wrong with it and you want to make sure the masters are ok with it.
Again, as I said, why REWARD bad behavior?? We don't pussyfoot around the PD's that follow the law...why pussyfoot around the ones that REFUSE to follow the law??
Agent19 wrote:
Why are you so insistant that we go around asking permission like children?? Isn't the reason we open carry to show the world that it's not criminal?? Asking permission is you saying that you think there's something wrong with it and you want to make sure the masters are ok with it.
Again, as I said, why REWARD bad behavior?? We don't pussyfoot around the PD's that follow the law...why pussyfoot around the ones that REFUSE to follow the law??
TrueBrit
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Agent19 wrote:
Well, I thought I read the thread, but I guess I missed something! I just threw my observation into the mix, since I see no reason to inform ANYONE in advance of a lawful activity! Merely an opinion, nothing more,and probably worth as much as you paid me for it!
Best wishes
TrueBrit.
Agent19 wrote:
Well, I thought I read the thread, but I guess I missed something! I just threw my observation into the mix, since I see no reason to inform ANYONE in advance of a lawful activity! Merely an opinion, nothing more,and probably worth as much as you paid me for it!
Best wishes
TrueBrit.
Tomahawk
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Tomahawk
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I don't know how I managed to miss this thread! Hope the food was good.
And BTW, I'm with you guys who say "I don't ask permission to be free."
I don't know how I managed to miss this thread! Hope the food was good.
And BTW, I'm with you guys who say "I don't ask permission to be free."