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    I got a call from a friend yesterday afternoon and he wanted to go out and celebrate his promotion that just came through. He had it in mind to hit the Rock Bottom Brewery in downtown Portland for their 'pint night': $5 first pint, $2 pints after that, and you keep the glass! (killer food and good beer by the way!)

    We both live in Vancouver, and he's quite familiar with me OC activities over here, but he wasn't expecting to see the 1911 on my hip when I exited his car downtown.

    I'm not going to say he 'freaked' but he did express some concern over the laws on the south side of the river (Oregon). as we were standing in front of the parking sticker vending machine, I explained Oregon's state level preemtion on OC, and that governmental subdivisions could only enforce OC restrictions on LOADED firearms..."....and as you can plainly see (as I rotated my hip to display the butt of the grip to him) the gun is decidedly 'sans magazine'!"

    At precisely that moment TWO Multnomah County Sherrifs happened to be walking by (behind him) which means given the elevated volume of my speaking (traffic noise) there was no way they could have NOT heard what I said or seen the pistol.:shock:

    But as far as I could tell they didn't even blink at my OC. Neither did the OTHER two Multnomah County Sherrifs that were following the first two about ten paces behind.

    (nor did the 'meter maid' that came around the corner as we left the area...AFTER he put the parking sticker that I pressured him to buy on the window.)

    A couple of staff in the restaurant widened their eyes briefly at my OC, but nobody said anything. All in all a decidedly uneventful evening.

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    I am very pro-OC, however trying to do things on a technicality (unloaded ok, loaded bad) while drinking gives a very bad impression. Also driving after drinking (assuming drinks were cheap so you had more than a few) also isn't the greatest idea

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    yankees98a wrote:
    I am very pro-OC, however trying to do things on a technicality (unloaded ok, loaded bad) while drinking gives a very bad impression. Also driving after drinking (assuming drinks were cheap so you had more than a few) also isn't the greatest idea
    Excuse me, but please point out where, exactly, in his post where he said that he was drinking, particularly "more than a few". Then point out where he said he was drinking and driving.
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    "I got a call from a friend yesterday afternoon and he wanted to go out and celebrate his promotion that just came through. He had it in mind to hit the Rock Bottom Brewery in downtown Portland for their 'pint night': $5 first pint, $2 pints after that, and you keep the glass! (killer food and good beer by the way!)"

    Two people going to a brewery for their pint night

    Talks how the place they are going to has killer food and GOOD BEER

    standing in front of the parking sticker vending machine - implies one of the two of them drove.


    Perhaps I'm readying too much, but it shows he was drinking for a celebration. The only variable is how much they had. But 2 pints (40 oz) can have an effect as that would be 3-4 drafts. 3 pints would be 60 oz = to 5-6 drafts.

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    yankees98a wrote:
    Perhaps I'm readying too much, but it shows he was drinking for a celebration. The only variable is how much they had. But 2 pints (40 oz) can have an effect as that would be 3-4 drafts. 3 pints would be 60 oz = to 5-6 drafts.
    You're thinking in Imperial measure. In the U.S., a pint is 16 ounces. A standard draft mug is a pint. Three pints is 48 ounces, equal to four 12-ounces bottles.


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    Even so, 3 pints = 4 beers which would be .08. Now I may not agree with .06 being a DUI limit in some areas.

    However I think anything above .04 (more than 3 beers) AND having a gun openily carried (whether or not loaded) doesn't represent us good and is a recipe for diaster. Doing so on a technacilty (unloaded while others might not know) doesn't look better.

    Drinking and driving a car I have similar feelings especially having lived with roommates who had DUI and alcohol issues.

    The point is, do you think having a few drinks and OCing mix?

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    Clarification:
    I think the DUI limit should be higher, however people in general should be more responsible)

    I think there should be less/no handgun rules but people should be more responsible.

    Going to a brewery to celebrate a promotion IF someone is driving there and they or another person is carrying can lead to a bad situation when alcohol specials are involved.

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    yankees98a wrote:
    Even so, 3 pints = 4 beers which would be .08.
    You can't say how 4 beers affects someone's BAC without knowing their weight and the amount of time involved.


    Ninety-eight pounder + 4 beers in 30 minutes = drunk.
    Two hundred fifty pounder + 4 beers in 3 hours = not even remotely tipsy.

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    KBCraig wrote:
    You can't say how 4 beers affects someone's BAC without knowing their weight and the amount of time involved.


    Ninety-eight pounder + 4 beers in 30 minutes = drunk.
    Two hundred fifty pounder + 4 beers in 3 hours = not even remotely tipsy.
    Then there is whole idea that your BAC is a good indication of how impaired you are. (small numbers anyway). My buddy is about the same height/weight as me, but drank a LOT more than me. So 4 beers effects him quite a bit less than me.

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    For calrification purposes:

    There were three of us, Myself, my friend, and his wife. We were there more than three hours. We all had a full meal. My friend and I had tree pints each, his wife, who had to work later, ordered ONE pint before the meal, and drank water after that. The wife was driving.

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    Jumping to conclusions... Soon to be a major league professional sport at a venue near you!

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    Sorry for jumping to conclusion about one of you two driving, didn't mention a third person oming with you.

    I still disagree with three pints (48 ounces =4 regular beers) and carrying (even unloaded). I am SURPRISED no one else objects or has concerns.

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    His life is not worth defending if he is drinking?

    Not everyone acts like an ass when they drink.
    Not everyone can't stop when they drink.
    Not everyone gets into altercations becasue they had a couple drinks.

    I don't know the OP so I have to hope/assume he doesn't have drinking "problems".

    We all have to make out own decisions. If your the type of person that can't behave when you drink you obviously should not carry a gun when you drink. Better yet, you shouldn't drink.

    I rarely drink when I "go out". When I do I do so in moderation. Regardless, I believe that my life is just as worthy of defending as when I am sober. I carry, always.

    Drinking is not an automatic disqualifier for carrying a gun, IMO.

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    It's not just judgement. Reflexes might be slowed or an accident could happen. Accidents happen to people when they are dead sober. More so with some drinks

    In this particular case the self defense point was moot. He had no magazine. The OP was carrying on a technicality (unloaded). I'm not sure this was wise in combination with the drinking, as it was more for show then any self defense reason.

    I am very PRO OC. I just have doubts in this situation.

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    I'm not sure how many accidents you can have with an unloaded gun...
    Seems to me that his OC'ing was far more of a political statement than it was for defensive purposes (especially considering that most jurisdictions define 'loaded' as 'anything that could be loaded in a vaguely defined time period,' so you can't even carry ammo in case of emergencies).

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    All I have to say about this.

    Carrying an unloaded pistol is like carrying a $___insert gun value here__ hammer.

    I left that commie state 4 years ago. I can OC with a full mag, one in the pipe, and as many extra mags as I want, here in Vegas.

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    On the loaded v. unloaded issue: Is it not true that if you have a firearms license, no local codes apply to you. That is, you are bound by state law only? This is really a rhetorical question.

    Do you have an Oregon firearms license?

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    Malum Prohibitum wrote:
    On the loaded v. unloaded issue: Is it not true that if you have a firearms license, no local codes apply to you. That is, you are bound by state law only? This is really a rhetorical question.

    Do you have an Oregon firearms license?
    Why, yes, Mr. Malum Prohibitum, you are correct.



    166.173 Authority of city or county to regulate possession of loaded firearms in public places. (1) A city or county may adopt ordinances to regulate, restrict or prohibit the possession of loaded firearms in public places as defined in ORS 161.015.[/b]

    (2) Ordinances adopted under subsection (1) of this section do not apply to or affect:

    (a) A law enforcement officer in the performance of official duty.

    (b) A member of the military in the performance of official duty.

    (c) A person licensed to carry a concealed handgun.

    (d) A person authorized to possess a loaded firearm while in or on a public building or court facility under ORS 166.370. [1995 s.s. c.1 §4; 1999 c.782 §8

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    OK folks...time for an exercise in legal logic (if that even exists).

    Can someone dig up the precises Portland Ordinance prohibiting the carrying of a LOADED firearm?

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    166.173 overrides such ordinances.

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    I figured that would be the first response....

    Ok...it's "think like a lawyer" time...

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    14A.60.010 Possession of a Loaded Firearm in a Public Place.

    A. It is unlawful for any person to knowingly possess or carry a firearm, in or upon a public place, including while in a vehicle in a public place, recklessly having failed to remove all the ammunition from the firearm.

    B. It is unlawful for any person to knowingly possess or carry a firearm and that firearm’s clip or magazine, in or upon a public place, including while in a vehicle in a public place, recklessly having failed to remove all the ammunition from the clip or magazine.
    First off...who can provide the ordinace/code section that defines "reckless"? (or do we operate under the 'common useage' rule?)

    Secondly...who can provide the ordinance/code section that requires me to perform the action that I would have to 'fail' to perfom in order to be in violation of this ordinance? (In order to 'fail' to do something there must be an action that I am 'required' to perform. How can I 'fail' to do something that is not required?)

    Ready?..... GO!



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    You raise an interesting point, now all we gotta do is find some guy we can sucker into being a test case (I call 'not it').

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    Perhaps a better bet trying "it" in Portland as Tigards definations are more "specific"

    7.32.125 Carrying Loaded Firearms.
    As used in this section, "firearm" means a
    pistol, revolver, gun, rifle or other mechanism,
    including a miniature weapon which projects a
    missile or shot by force of gunpowder or any
    other explosive, or by spring or by compressed
    air.
    (a) It is unlawful for any person to possess a
    firearm in a public place as that term is defined in
    ORS 161.015 unless all ammunition has been
    removed from the chamber and from the cylinder,
    clip or magazine. This section does not apply to
    or affect:
    (1) a law enforcement officer in the performance of official duty;
    (2) a member of the military in the performance of official duty;

    (3) a person licensed to carry a concealed handgun;

    (4) a person authorized to possess a
    loaded firearm while in or on a public building


    TIGARD MUNICIPAL CODE


    7-32-5 SE Update: 12/01
    under ORS 166.370.
    (b) It is unlawful for any person possessing
    a firearm in a public place to refuse to permit a
    peace officer to inspect that firearm after the
    peace officer has identified himself as such.
    (c) Violation of any portion of subsections
    (a) and (b) is a Class A misdemeanor. (Ord. 96-
    28; Ord. 76-22 §1, 1976).




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    This is one of the reasons that I urge anyone who open carries in the Portland area of Oregon to get a CHL.

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