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    MIDDLEBURG, Fla. -- [/b]A 42-year-old woman was fatally mauled by her two pit bulls, which also attacked the victim's son and a sheriff's deputy before both dogs were shot and killed on Tuesday morning, according to the Clay County Sheriff's Office.

    http://www.news4jax.com/news/14250768/detail.html

    theres also a video on the website, has the 911 recording of the son calling before he was attacked

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    The apologists for these type of dogs will no doubt have some kind of explanation for why these dogs turned. The usual claims of mistreatment and dog fighting don't seem to fit this particular case, nor do they seem to fit a lot of cases.

    What amazes me is that anyone would want a pit when they know what can, and occasionally is the direct result of having a dog known to turn now and then, when the results are often fatal.

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    Rockford cops shot a pitbull yesterday at a school. Then arrested the owner for resisting. Police dept claims legit shoot. All non-police witnesses claim otherwise.


    Maybeanother case of "the man with a hammer thinks all problems are nails".Who knows?






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    ilbob wrote:
    What amazes me is that anyone would want a pit when they know what can, and occasionally is the direct result of having a dog known to turn now and then, when the results are often fatal.
    While owning a pit is statistically more risky than owning a goldfish, I would rather own a pit. I was raised from age 2 with a pit. We had him 15 years, and he never bit anyone, even the time he chased burglar out of our house (and over the fence and down the street).

    It all comes down to training. A pit can be a docile and friendly animal if it is raised right; much how human temperament is shaped. Just like humans, there is no fail-safe way to do this.
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    Ahh, good ole' Middleburg, white trash capitol of Florida. Did any of you catch this


    A family friend at the home at the time shot at the dogs with a 9mm handgun, but they were still alive and one of them lunged at an arriving deputy before it was shot and killed.
    2nd time the anemic 9mm has failed to stop a pit (that I know of)

    FYI, Clay County Sherriffs office uses 10mm [Tim the toolman Tayor] ugh, ugh ugh[/Tim the toolman Taylor]

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    Reverend73 wrote:
    Ahh, good ole' Middleburg, white trash capitol of Florida. Did any of you catch this


    A family friend at the home at the time shot at the dogs with a 9mm handgun, but they were still alive and one of them lunged at an arriving deputy before it was shot and killed.
    2nd time the anemic 9mm has failed to stop a pit (that I know of)

    FYI, Clay County Sherriffs office uses 10mm [Tim the toolman Tayor] ugh, ugh ugh[/Tim the toolman Taylor]


    Says he shot at the dogs, not that he shot them so I wouldn't jump to conclusions that a 9mm isn't effective against a pit bull.

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    Hi all. 'I here am new'. Been lurking a good while. Its been interesting. The militarization of the police and all the other good subjects and topics. And someone usually will post a view similar to mine so I've refrained from farting on the fire. 'How bout somemore beans, Mr. Hagert' And maybe I should go ahead and say goodbye since Mike or Babcav may not be too thrilled with my first post/reply. I'll try to keep it semi civil though

    ilbob wrote:
    The apologists for these type of dogs will no doubt have some kind of explanation for why these dogs turned. The usual claims of mistreatment and dog fighting don't seem to fit this particular case, nor do they seem to fit a lot of cases.

    What amazes me is that anyone would want a pit when they know what can, and occasionally is the direct result of having a dog known to turn now and then, when the results are often fatal.
    Fine upstanding sir. I'll no more apologize for owning, loving and caring about "these type of dogs" anymore than I, or probably you, need to apologize or explain why accidents and criminaluse of9mm hand guns appears pervasive. Get it? If not heres a hint. There are alot of them, and alot of irresponsible people. Ever noticed how guns and pitbulls get very similar 'bad' attention from the media?'Guns AND pit bulls are bad. Lets ban them. And utopia will be at hand!' 'If we can save JUST ONE LIFE! blah blah'. Responsibilityfor a dog or any animal, particularly one of any size is just as serious as your responsibilty regarding firearms.

    I take it you arrived at your anti pitbullsentiment after having atleast owned or known a few. No you didnt say ban. But after a little more bad press maybe?

    99.9 infinitum % regardless of breed, dogs dont 'just turn'. Some mistake was made no matter how blatant or undiscernible. And I'm sure in this case as in most, we will never know what. Fwiw my best advice to any dog owner is _NEVER_EVER_ encourage aggression of any kind in a dog.Not even in playfullness.

    Why have I taken issue here? I'm 43. I've owned and known the breed all my life just as I have known and owned firearms all my life. And on both issues I'm sick and tired of the anti BS. So, they'll get my dogs right after they get my guns. 'Unforseen consequences'. Get my drift? And they'll say 'He was a mad man. With guns, and lots of ammo, and a FULL two liter gasoline can in the shed out back that was certainly intended for.. well we can only imagine...

    Re: the rockford incident and why the cops call it ligit and the bystanders dont. I'll take a shot, pun or not. The cop saw too many negative news reports and or propaganda about pits. The cops or the callers mind went off, 'OH MY GOD ITS A PITBULL! KILL IT!' Much like people and 'OH MY GOD ITS A MAN WITH A GUN! Out of the car, long hair!






    Reverend73,

    Fine upstanding sir. And what is your point exactly? That Florida is a white trash state with the capitol being in middleburg. Or do you just have a problem with white people? And are you really a reverend, saying such things? Or just think you should be revered for some reason?

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    Reverend73,

    Fine upstanding sir. And what is your point exactly? That Florida is a white trash state with the capitol being in middleburg. Or do you just have a problem with white people? And are you really a reverend, saying such things? Or just think you should be revered for some reason?
    Ah, must of struck a cord with this one.

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    I'm with you. We used to breed Rottweilers when I wasa kid, I had a Pitbull Terrier, and i currently own a Cane Corso (Italian Mastiff). All these breeds have been deemed viscious, but I've seen all of them around multiple strangers and kids and never once has there been more than a bark from any of them. Usually the problem is that the big dogs always want to sit on people's laps. That's a no no!:shock:

    edit: the picture of the dog was too big!

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    ilbob wrote:
    The apologists for these type of dogs will no doubt have some kind of explanation for why these dogs turned. The usual claims of mistreatment and dog fighting don't seem to fit this particular case, nor do they seem to fit a lot of cases.

    What amazes me is that anyone would want a pit when they know what can, and occasionally is the direct result of having a dog known to turn now and then, when the results are often fatal.
    sorry but i own 2 of these dogs and they have never bitten anyone i sometimes leave them with my parents at their house in charles town, west virginia when i am traveling for work and they also love them. they are sometimes dog agressive but situational awareness and training handles any problems that could possibly arise. i love this breed and it will be the only one i ever own.

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    as long as you keep your dog in your house, in your fenced in yard, or on a leash, I don't care if you keep a wolf.

    don't expect the rest of us to feel sorry for you if the dog gets loose and someone shoots it. better safe than sorry and there is no way to know if a stray pit is dangerous or not.

    same thing applies to other dog breeds known to be aggressive for no real reason (like GSDs, chows, rotties, etc.). I know that a lot of them are friendly as heck, but when they are more than ten feet away from their owner, you can't depend on that with any dog.



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    cops killed some more pits yesterday. brings to 5 the number of dogs killed by cops within 15-20 miles of me this week. one rottie mix and four pits.

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    hunting season in your area with APBT on the bounty list
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    i heard yesterday that they normally only kill about ten per year.

    lots of irresponsible dog owners letting their pits run loose at the same time I guess.

    at least in the rottie mix case they tried to corral it first and only shot it when it seemed like it was going to attack. the practice with pits seems to be to take no chances. can't say I blame them one bit.

    BTW, i think it is actually a total of 3 pits and the rottie mix. still an unusual number of dog shootings in four days.

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    This is on the effectiveness of a 9mm against a dog.

    I watched with my own two eyes my friend plug a Rotweiler with two Federal FMJs in the side. The dog ran off, and came back three days later and attacked his femal german shepard AGAIN. This time he met a deer slug from a Remington 870. He did not escape and heal up. Upon inspection, you could see both entry and exit wounds in the Rot' from the 9mm rounds. I am convinced that short of unloading an entire mag into the dog, 9mm is not the best route, or of course a spinal cord, brain, or heart shot.

    Not arguing either way as I carry esclusively .357 mag or .45 auto. After all, if all you have is a 9mm, shoot the damn thing with the 9mm. However, if given a choice between 9mm and anything larger, I would go with the larger caliber. Dogs are very resilient animals, and under the right circumstances, extremely vicious. Even a mortally wounded dog can and may continue to attack, only dying after it's prey is dead.

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    it is important to note that in this instance it was 2 dogs mauling their owner -a woman who had presumably raised them and acted kindly towards them. i notice that many of the posts seem to indicate that they onlyt have 1 dog - not serveral at the same time.

    unless you personally raised these dogs from birth and personally knew their bloodlines i would never assume that they were not potentially aggressive.

    also - if they were totally devoted to you they might never hurt you, but would turn on someone they saw as either a threat to youor sawas competiton for their affection.

    in many (not all but many - maybe most??) cases the mauling occur when there are 2 or more dogs involved. remember, dogs are first and always animals. sure, they are domesticated to a certain extent but they will always revert back to their wolf-like nature should the ocassion or need arise.

    when 2+ dogs get together there is often competition to determine the "alpha" and people can get caught in the middle. a group of dogs can quickly revert to their pack nature and see preyinstead of "owner".and every animal wants the largest share of the kill.

    dogs can often tell the small, weak, old(children, older women, etc) and will attack them most often. you rarely hear of dog attacks on a group of men - or even a single man [ yes, you might find cases but i am willing to bet that the majority of all attack are as noted above]. wolves never attack the most healthly - they look for the old, weak, small or young.

    i grew up with german shepherds and had them as an adult - but only singly. i have seen what happens when large breed dogs get together. the same dog that, by itself will sit all day in your lap and share your ice cream cone will, in an instance, turn vicous if another large dog decided to compete on any level for your attention.

    now that i am older i have a smaller dog which i can easily handle with a stern glance or a bribe- and my .380 if necessary .

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    Agent19 wrote:

    poor breeding and irresponsible owners tend to be the problem
    I suspect virtually all dog attacks are the result of irresponsible owners, at least those attacked by strays. There is NEVER a good reason to let any dog run loose. They should always be under control, such as being confined in an enclosed area, or on a leash.

    I once chatted with an experienced animal control officer whoopined thatshe felt stray dogs tend to be more aggressive then normal because they are under stress from being lost and in an unfamiliar situation.

    One of my wives relatives has a pit. It loves everyone. Sleeps with the children, the whole story. One time it came after my wife. Scared the **** out of me. Fortunately her niece got the dog under control. No discernible reason why it decided to be aggressive toward my wife and no one else. I have never seen any other breed of dog go from friendly to just plain scary like that before, and I have been around dogs for most of my 49 years. Most dogs give you some warning signs. Pits generally don't. Plus pits don't just bite. They aim to kill when they attack. That is why pit attacks tend to be far more serious than beagle attacks.

    The paper reported that the two pits the cops just shot here yesterday were attacking a pug, and the pug's owner tried to fend them off with a pool cue to no avail. Cops shoot one of them, it dies, the other one leaves, and then comes back later and threatens cop who shoots it.

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    agent19 - just out of curiosity, would you let 1 or both of your children play in a group of dogs? also, were they all large breeds or did they vary in size? did you raise them? i notice that you have 2 kids but now only have 1 dog.

    i agree 100% that poor breeding and bad owners has had a LOT to do with the situation. but, a group of dogs is still a group of dogs and can turn into a pack quickly and do unexpected things. much like a group of kids.never turn your back on a small group of kids - just look them firmly in the eye and back away slowly. thankswhat i do with the grand-kids:shock:.

    and, of course, size does matter. while you might get attacked by a Pekingese or a dachshundthey are easy to defend against

    but seriously, maybe i'm being overly cautious but i would never let a small child play in or near a group of dogs. just too much of a risk and you can never undo the damage if it goes wrong.

    other the other hand - there'snothing like a large dog to make a bg keep walking.

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    ilbob wrote:
    as long as you keep your dog in your house, in your fenced in yard, or on a leash, I don't care if you keep a wolf.

    don't expect the rest of us to feel sorry for you if the dog gets loose and someone shoots it. better safe than sorry and there is no way to know if a stray pit is dangerous or not.

    same thing applies to other dog breeds known to be aggressive for no real reason (like GSDs, chows, rotties, etc.). I know that a lot of them are friendly as heck, but when they are more than ten feet away from their owner, you can't depend on that with any dog.

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    Agreed on in the house or fenced yard, 'reasonably secure'. Personally I dont feel the fenced yard is enough when no one is home for any length of time.

    I dont know about IL. But here you cant just shoot loose animals. You need 'reasonable cause'. 'Eminent threat' to you or yours. Trespassing or property damage in not justifiable. You can ask or sue for compensation but you cant just start shooting. This reminds me of a story on this very board about an off duty NY cop (NY if I recall correctly) that was in some trouble for shooting peoples dogs unjustifiably.

    The old sayings of dont show fear and dont run are truely wise. Conversely if you run at a dog to scare it away or approach it threateningly with a baseball bat itmay very well react aggresively. To do so is escalation imo. Thats a classic situation. Billy bad and dumb ass in action. And then he says he was attacked without provocation.

    The killings of three pits on murderous rampages in four days seems a bit far fetched but possible I suppose. Or is it just open season, legally questionable unspoken policy by LEO, or simply trigger happy.



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    Re: They attacked someones pug.

    Thats reason enoughto shoot imo.



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    Re: They attacked someones pug.

    Thats reason enoughto shoot imo.

    even "friendly" pits are notorious for being dog aggressive. just part of the genetic makeup I guess. good training and supervision will restrain those traits, but when they are off on their own, they tend to revert to type.

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    i wouldn't let my kids play with a dog ifit wasn't mine!
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