Secrettrance
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For those in the Allentown area here's a notice for you. The Lehigh Valley Mall has a no firearms policy. While there are no signs at the entrances of the 3 major department stores at the 3 corners of the mall, signs are posted (out of plain sight of course) stating rules of the mall.
Ran into 2 LEO's who gave me somewhat of a hard time about the OC laws and gun laws in pa in general. Both knew a little about the gun laws but one officer was firm in his position that open carry was illegal in PA and that you needed a Concealed carry permit to carry in pa. My answer, a simple CCW's dont exist in PA, its a LTCF and it is not required to carry a firearm, only to carry a firearm concealed etc etc. Naturally though he persisted that it was illegal and while taking my information I stated that I would comply although I'm not required by law to give it. After asking why he needed my information his response was "I like to know who the extremists are". I kept my composure as the other officer stated to the one that open carry was allowed in PA but his words fell on deaf ears. This is a shortened version of the story but basically the gist is LVM = no guns and not all but some Whitehall Police are not fully educated on PA's gun statutes.
::shrugs:: I guess I wont be shopping at LVM anymore until the policy of "criminals welcome" is changed.
EDIT Addional information: Some here have assumed I was carrying at the time. I was not. My intent was simply to find out the code of conduct for LVM as well as any restrictions on firearms prior to OCing in the Mall. To Shooter_tx they were the officers who are on post in the mall to assist mall security so yes LEO's. Skuggi- explain what you mean by "card catalog". I doubt there was a report filed as I was not open carrying just simply inquiring as to the mall's policy. The officer more than likely took offense to my firm stance that he was incorrect about OC laws and I feel attempted to intimidate me. Its kind of like telling a manager they dont know how to manage or a trucker that they cant drive. Telling a LEO that they dont know the law is a huge insult. Warranted insult yes but to them its almost like spitting in their face. Still I feel that he will check into the laws in an attempt to prove himself right to the other officer and be sadly mistaken. If someone else wants to gungho their way into a fight with a LEO over gun laws be my guest. I have other liabilities as FP that mean I must make every effort to maintain a decent relationship with government workers/police etc.
For those in the Allentown area here's a notice for you. The Lehigh Valley Mall has a no firearms policy. While there are no signs at the entrances of the 3 major department stores at the 3 corners of the mall, signs are posted (out of plain sight of course) stating rules of the mall.
Ran into 2 LEO's who gave me somewhat of a hard time about the OC laws and gun laws in pa in general. Both knew a little about the gun laws but one officer was firm in his position that open carry was illegal in PA and that you needed a Concealed carry permit to carry in pa. My answer, a simple CCW's dont exist in PA, its a LTCF and it is not required to carry a firearm, only to carry a firearm concealed etc etc. Naturally though he persisted that it was illegal and while taking my information I stated that I would comply although I'm not required by law to give it. After asking why he needed my information his response was "I like to know who the extremists are". I kept my composure as the other officer stated to the one that open carry was allowed in PA but his words fell on deaf ears. This is a shortened version of the story but basically the gist is LVM = no guns and not all but some Whitehall Police are not fully educated on PA's gun statutes.
::shrugs:: I guess I wont be shopping at LVM anymore until the policy of "criminals welcome" is changed.
EDIT Addional information: Some here have assumed I was carrying at the time. I was not. My intent was simply to find out the code of conduct for LVM as well as any restrictions on firearms prior to OCing in the Mall. To Shooter_tx they were the officers who are on post in the mall to assist mall security so yes LEO's. Skuggi- explain what you mean by "card catalog". I doubt there was a report filed as I was not open carrying just simply inquiring as to the mall's policy. The officer more than likely took offense to my firm stance that he was incorrect about OC laws and I feel attempted to intimidate me. Its kind of like telling a manager they dont know how to manage or a trucker that they cant drive. Telling a LEO that they dont know the law is a huge insult. Warranted insult yes but to them its almost like spitting in their face. Still I feel that he will check into the laws in an attempt to prove himself right to the other officer and be sadly mistaken. If someone else wants to gungho their way into a fight with a LEO over gun laws be my guest. I have other liabilities as FP that mean I must make every effort to maintain a decent relationship with government workers/police etc.
