sv_libertarian
State Researcher
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About 4:45 today I was reading a novel and had an open box of cookies next to me in Percivial Landing Park. I was sitting facing the water near the dinghy dock (F) which is near a playground and the public restrooms. I was wearing blue jeans, a grey button down long sleeveshirt,and my cammo Sportsman's Wearhouse capand carrying my 6" barrel stainless Security Six on my right hip in a full length nylon holster. Three OPD officers lead by an Officer Houser politely approached me, had my stand up, do the whole lace fingers behind head thing, removed my weapon and patted me down. I was calm and cooperative the whole time, stating "It's perfectly legal" and "what laws am I breaking?" The other two officers whose names I did not get (more on that later) were more or less silent and in the background. Officer Houser was the one I had the most contact with.
After I was disarmed I was told to produce ID and my CPL (if any) and to sit down. I complied and they ran my ID. Officer Houser asked why I was OC'ing. I replied "It is perfectly legal and I am more comfortable with it." He then tried to invoke the "Causing Alarm" laws. I told him that while I did not have the case law handy that the Courts had held that a person carrying a holstered pistol in a peaceable manner ( I was reading a book and eating Keebler Grasshoppers for crying out loud!) Houser continued to lecture me on why OC was a Bad Thing To Do In Olympia. I maintained my "perfectly legal stance", etc... All this was going on while the OPD computers were trying to decide if I was a Bad Man. His partner who took my weapon and unloaded it said that I could be scaring people and I should just cover up. He said he didn't want to infringe on my rights, but Oly is such a liberal city, blah, blah, blah. All cops carry concealed when off duty and so should I. Cop just shot a bunch of people in Wisconsion and people are gun shy right now, etc...
After another adomation from Houser that I should just carry concealed, I was told my weapon had been placed inside my backpack (size medium ALICE pack, best dang thing in the world for carrying a load of paperbacks to the book store ever made!) and that I shouldn't reload it in the park, and then suggested that maybe I should wait to reload it when I got home. I boogied to the nearest internet connection and reloaded it in the bathroom of the coffee shop. I then concealed it, because I have various business reasons for concealing in a lot of stores in Thurston County. (more on that later)
Why did I not get cards? Because I got the head cop's name which is sufficient to track down the paper work filed and I did not want them to think I was going to be making a complaint against their stupid asses which might influence how they wrote the paper work.
So lesse, disarmed and searched in public, a final grudging acknowledgement of legality, a statement that court rulings do not make case law (this from Houser) my pistol unloaded (rounds were returned, all six of them, I checked) and a suggestion not to reload until I got home, but of course they did not want to infringe on my rights, but Oly being so liberal and everything I should just wear a long coat or hide my weapon, blah blah blah.
I want to see the police report and see the 911 logs before I take further action. I was calm and cooperative the whole time, and made every effort to comply with the officer's actions.
As I have said before, around Thurston County I CC 99% of the time because I cannot afford to offend/piss off/or whatever thestores that I make a living in as a vendor.
In fact I have been told not to carry at work. That's fine, I have nifty pepper spray thingies and other weapons I carry with me at work. So basically on one of the two days I actually carry all day around home, and in a rare moment of OC'ing, enjoying a comfortable rain free day, eating mint cookies and reading a book looking at the water I get messed with. I don't have this much trouble in Seattle. In fact I mentioned a Seattle encounter to Houser and he brushed it off by saying nobody had called 911 then. Whatever.
So what should I do next? Thanks for the advice ahead of time everybody.
BTW, Mr. "Good Cop" who returned my rounds to me (actually didn't hand them to me but put them in my bag, but didn't care about my speedloader) told me yesterday they had responded to a call at the mall about someone OCing. Good. They will have to get used to the notion of people exercising their rights.
Dang but I'm annoyed.:cuss:
Steve
About 4:45 today I was reading a novel and had an open box of cookies next to me in Percivial Landing Park. I was sitting facing the water near the dinghy dock (F) which is near a playground and the public restrooms. I was wearing blue jeans, a grey button down long sleeveshirt,and my cammo Sportsman's Wearhouse capand carrying my 6" barrel stainless Security Six on my right hip in a full length nylon holster. Three OPD officers lead by an Officer Houser politely approached me, had my stand up, do the whole lace fingers behind head thing, removed my weapon and patted me down. I was calm and cooperative the whole time, stating "It's perfectly legal" and "what laws am I breaking?" The other two officers whose names I did not get (more on that later) were more or less silent and in the background. Officer Houser was the one I had the most contact with.
After I was disarmed I was told to produce ID and my CPL (if any) and to sit down. I complied and they ran my ID. Officer Houser asked why I was OC'ing. I replied "It is perfectly legal and I am more comfortable with it." He then tried to invoke the "Causing Alarm" laws. I told him that while I did not have the case law handy that the Courts had held that a person carrying a holstered pistol in a peaceable manner ( I was reading a book and eating Keebler Grasshoppers for crying out loud!) Houser continued to lecture me on why OC was a Bad Thing To Do In Olympia. I maintained my "perfectly legal stance", etc... All this was going on while the OPD computers were trying to decide if I was a Bad Man. His partner who took my weapon and unloaded it said that I could be scaring people and I should just cover up. He said he didn't want to infringe on my rights, but Oly is such a liberal city, blah, blah, blah. All cops carry concealed when off duty and so should I. Cop just shot a bunch of people in Wisconsion and people are gun shy right now, etc...
After another adomation from Houser that I should just carry concealed, I was told my weapon had been placed inside my backpack (size medium ALICE pack, best dang thing in the world for carrying a load of paperbacks to the book store ever made!) and that I shouldn't reload it in the park, and then suggested that maybe I should wait to reload it when I got home. I boogied to the nearest internet connection and reloaded it in the bathroom of the coffee shop. I then concealed it, because I have various business reasons for concealing in a lot of stores in Thurston County. (more on that later)
Why did I not get cards? Because I got the head cop's name which is sufficient to track down the paper work filed and I did not want them to think I was going to be making a complaint against their stupid asses which might influence how they wrote the paper work.
So lesse, disarmed and searched in public, a final grudging acknowledgement of legality, a statement that court rulings do not make case law (this from Houser) my pistol unloaded (rounds were returned, all six of them, I checked) and a suggestion not to reload until I got home, but of course they did not want to infringe on my rights, but Oly being so liberal and everything I should just wear a long coat or hide my weapon, blah blah blah.
I want to see the police report and see the 911 logs before I take further action. I was calm and cooperative the whole time, and made every effort to comply with the officer's actions.
As I have said before, around Thurston County I CC 99% of the time because I cannot afford to offend/piss off/or whatever thestores that I make a living in as a vendor.
In fact I have been told not to carry at work. That's fine, I have nifty pepper spray thingies and other weapons I carry with me at work. So basically on one of the two days I actually carry all day around home, and in a rare moment of OC'ing, enjoying a comfortable rain free day, eating mint cookies and reading a book looking at the water I get messed with. I don't have this much trouble in Seattle. In fact I mentioned a Seattle encounter to Houser and he brushed it off by saying nobody had called 911 then. Whatever.
So what should I do next? Thanks for the advice ahead of time everybody.
BTW, Mr. "Good Cop" who returned my rounds to me (actually didn't hand them to me but put them in my bag, but didn't care about my speedloader) told me yesterday they had responded to a call at the mall about someone OCing. Good. They will have to get used to the notion of people exercising their rights.
Dang but I'm annoyed.:cuss:
Steve
