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    7-8:30PM Tuesday, October 9 at Northern Virginia Community College's Annandale
    Campus at the Ernst Center, in the Forum

    I'm going to try and videotape this meeting. I don't think they can stop me, it's on public property. I also plan to give comments concerning which keeps me safer - a concealed handgun, or an email alert system.

    http://vahighered.com/2007/10/04/hel...afer-campuses/

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    My bet is that there will be "rules" set up that will ensure nobody has a gun, and that any input provided to the campus safety meeting suggesting that defending yourself is a better alternative to "dial 911 & pray before dying" will be dismissed out of hand in the same fashion as the sham massengil panel.



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    Mr. Y wrote:
    My bet is that there will be "rules" set up that will ensure nobody has a gun, and that any input provided to the campus safety meeting suggesting that defending yourself is a better alternative to "dial 911 & pray before dying" will be dismissed out of hand in the same fashion as the sham massengil panel.

    It's still better we have our voices heard.

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    Map of Annandale campus here (pdf)

    The event is in bld CE on the map.

    Parking IS NOT free. So as to not enrich the coffers of the school I will park off campus and walk to the event. If you DO park in the parking garage, take heart that if you are mugged or raped thereisone Emergency ‘Blue Light’ Call Box per level, scream into the microphone that you are dying and help will be dispatched from the nearest hospital, which is 8 minutes away under ideal traffic conditions.



    Visitor Parking


    There is no free parking on the Annandale Campus except during grace periods just prior to the beginning of the semester. All visitors may park for $1.00 per hour at our parking meters (limited to 1 hour only) on Lake Drive, or in the “Visitor’s” section of our new parking garage. This entrance is off of Center Drive, at the front of the “B” student lots in the back of the school.

    The Annandale Parking Garage (operating hours 7:00 am - 11:00 pm) provides the campus 825 spaces for vehicle parking. Handicap accessible spaces are located on each of the parking levels.

    The Garage is for Permit Parking (Faculty, Staff and Students) and Pay Parking (visitors and those without permits).

    • Permit Parking is open to those with a valid NVCC Parking Permit and a valid NOVACard ID. Permit parking is available when the campus is open and the NOVACard ID must be used to open the gate to enter and exit.
    • Pay Parking is open Monday through Saturday 7:00 am - 11:00 pm each day. The cost is $1.00 per hour (or any portion of an hour). - CASH ONLY - entrance to Pay Parking is via machine issued ticket, push button, take ticket, gate opens – pay booth operator upon exit).
    Along with the cost of operating and maintaining all Northern Virginia Community College parking facilities, the parking structure cost is paid by the hourly charges and the sale of permits.

    There are two elevators and two corner stairwells within the garage – also pedestrian exits to paved walkways leading to the campus. Each level has Emergency ‘Blue Light’ Call Boxes - push button – light flashes – call automatically goes to police. The garage is not open to motorcycles (for safety reasons).

    If you are coming to campus to attend an event in the Cultural Center you should check with your sponsoring organization to see if arrangements have been made for pre-paid parking, You may call 323-3131 for further details. If parking fees have been prepaid you will be directed to the appropriate lot for free parking.

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    Don't forget, Blue Ridge allows CC, and it's the most civil campus I've seen, especially compared to say, JMU or VCU.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    I think I might be able to make it over their. And, I do not believe that there is any legitimate way they can keep you from either open or concealed carrying. It appears to bea meeting to which there is an open invitation to the public, so they shouldn't be able deny you entrance or charge you with trespassing for not leaving. The only real worry would be if you are student or faculty member; then you might (likely) be fired or academically punished.

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    Check PM naked if you can I'm thinking about going and want to know if you want to meet up.
    -Unrequited

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    unrequited wrote:
    Check PM naked if you can I'm thinking about going and want to know if you want to meet up.

    Did I see you on the news tonight holding the mic?

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    HAHAHA. Yeah, a friend msg'ed me about it before I even knew. I put it on youtube after wrangling it off their website.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=a5s3n0JBOi4

    Thanks Naked for letting me know and covering my back. I was a little scared of walking in there by myself.
    -Unrequited

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    Wow that rocked. Great job.

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    Good Job, unrequited!

    Wish I could have made it. This particular news report sure made it clear that no matter what the public thinks, the panels would prefer to use computers to do their work. If this reporter accurately gauged prevailing sentiment, it would appear this panel is just as receptive as the VT panel.

    I was pleased to note this particular report didn't have any "Oh, no, these kids would scare me" interviews.
    Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population. -Albert Einstein

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    nakedshoplifter wrote:
    Map of Annandale campus here (pdf)

    The event is in bld CE on the map.

    Parking IS NOT free.
    I have parked free there in evenings for meeting before.

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    Mr. Y wrote:
    My bet is that there will be "rules" set up that will ensure nobody has a gun, and that any input provided to the campus safety meeting suggesting that defending yourself is a better alternative to "dial 911 & pray before dying" will be dismissed out of hand in the same fashion as the sham massengil panel.

    I doubt it - several speakers annoucned at the VT Panel meetings ON CAMPUS at VT that they were carrying - no problem. After all, it is legal!

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    Class did not appear to be in session. The parking lot was empty, no students around. The garage was closed and a sign said parking in the student lot was free.

    Unrequited OC'd to the meeting, I CC'd. Bruce Jackson was there as well as several other VCDL members. Most citizens seemed to be in favor of allowing (concealed) guns on campus. The moderator wanted to steer everyone away from talking about guns, saying it had been covered extensively already. The panel staff was strangely quiet all night, asking perhaps one or two questions. I got the feeling they had their minds made up on the issue and the panel was simply "window dressing" to give the appearance they were considering all aspects. Also, this panel was not simply about guns on campus, the issue was much broader. They wanted input on campus safety issues in general, to include lighting on campus, communication in emergencies, and prevention of crime. They seemedwilling to throw massive amounts of money at the issue of providing security/safety while ignoring the simplest and cheapest prevention solution, concealed carry.

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    Yourpost indicates at least a little surprise naked...

    Remember the mindset of government is the same as that of any form of life - it's prime goal is self preservation. YOU having the ability to think and do for yourself does not fit into the clean cut model of government control. Of course they're going to throw money at the problem because taking money (and freedom) from us helps sustain THEM. Think of it this way:

    YOU, Nakedshoplifter want to control as many aspects of your life as Nakedshoplifter as possible & practical. Mr. Y would wager money that you would none too much appreciate me, or anyone else telling you how to conduct your affairs. And vice versa. However, it is the governments sole function totell you exactly how to conduct your affairs, when you can do it and under what restrictions the government chooses to allow. That may not be the ideal upon which the government was founded, but that is what it has become.

    Most people are not self sufficient, or even anywhere close to it in any aspect of their lives. I would postulate that an overwhelming majority of the posters here could act most of their lives without help from the government or interaction with it other than to pay taxes, ideally.We're mostly "Doers" not "talkers" or "thinkers". Our first reaction to a problem is along the lines of "let's get this damn thing fixed", rather than"Who can I call to fix this for me" (generally speaking).

    Understanding this government "mentality" is key to understanding the nature of the enemy we're faced with.





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    There were more NOVA cops there then I ever saw anywherein my two years of attending classes there. The way they came in and positioned themselves around the perimeter of the room was all very unsubtle and unnecessary.

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    You should have joined them in the perimeter. Gives you a chance to strike up a conversation, make new friends.

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    naked, have a change to put put up the uncut version?
    -Unrequited

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    I can upload the raw video, but it won't be finished product. If I start uploading it now google should have it online by morning.

    EDIT: I'm going to wait and upload the finished product. I only added some personal commentary at the beginning of the video, it's encoding right now, will start uploading it in the morning and the video will be online before evening.

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    Well, done!!
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    that was pretty sweet, but you looked a bit nervous (oh i would have been)

    i admire that you hold your ground and speak your mind!

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    nakedshoplifter wrote:
    I can upload the raw video, but it won't be finished product. If I start uploading it now google should have it online by morning.

    EDIT: I'm going to wait and upload the finished product. I only added some personal commentary at the beginning of the video, it's encoding right now, will start uploading it in the morning and the video will be online before evening.
    Oh take your time, no worries.
    -Unrequited

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    unrequited wrote:
    HAHAHA. Yeah, a friend msg'ed me about it before I even knew. I put it on youtube after wrangling it off their website.
    How do you wrangle things down from the web, any web? I have tried to download things before (absolutely NO claims to be technically proficient), but have not succeeded.


    http://youtube.com/watch?v=a5s3n0JBOi4
    Stands to reason that I do most of my browsing while at work, where they have a sooper-seecrit fire wall that refuses access to youtube and too many other harmless places.

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    Ended up using a copy of Hypercam to "record" a copy off my screen while dropping my screen res to the lowest setting (800x600) in order to maintain the highest quality of the recording. Since it's all digital, it's near-perfect.
    -Unrequited

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    Video from the VCCS Campus Safety Forum is online.

    http://vaguninfo.com/videos/vccs.htm

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