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    I think we're starting to see a real trend here.

    GUN = CRAZY

    These people are attempting to derail this guy's law career because he had the audacity to exercise one (or more) of his constitutional rights. When you're done reading this, if you want to send the resident jerk a little thought, here's his email address:

    nattgan@regent.edu

    http://content.hamptonroads.com/stor...&ran=53451

    Regent suspends student pending psychiatric evaluation

    Adam M. Key
    Adam M. Key

    By BILL BURKE, The Virginian-Pilot
    © October 13, 2007 | Last updated 10:41 PM Oct. 12

    VIRGINIA BEACH

    A Regent University law student who posted an unflattering photo of Regent President Pat Robertson on his Facebook page has been indefinitely suspended pending a psychiatric evaluation.

    Adam M. Key was told by a dean in an e-mail Friday that he was concerned about Key's "emotional well-being" and that several students have recently expressed concern about Key's "interpersonal behavior."

    The students "have reported, among other things, that you said that you brought a gun on campus, which is a violation of University policy," said the e-mail, signed by L.O. Natt Gantt, the law school's associate dean for student affairs.
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    Gantt said Key was being suspended until he could be evaluated by a university-approved mental health provider.

    "Given the security situations that school campuses face today," Gantt wrote, "the University must pursue a course of action that diligently responds to these concerns."

    Key said he has never brought a gun on campus or told fellow students that he had. "I've never owned or carried a gun," he said.

    He said he was notified of the university's action Friday during a conference call with Gantt and an assistant dean. He said neither gave specific details of their conversations with other students.

    "This is an effort to discredit me by drawing attention draw away from" the free-speech issue, Key said Friday. "It's insulting to imply that someone who has different opinions from the university is emotionally unstable."

    Asked whether he plans to make an appointment with a mental health professional, Key said, "I'm taking it under consideration."

    The picture of Robertson, posted on Key's Facebook social-networking Web page, shows Robertson making what appears to be an obscene hand gesture. Key copied it from a YouTube video in which Robertson scratches his face with the middle finger of his right hand.

    Regent, as a private university, has the right to impose punishment if it determines Key violated the standards of conduct he agreed to observe when he enrolled at the school. Several legal experts, however, said it is unusual for universities to ban free speech.

    The case has generated international news coverage, showing up in publications in Europe and Asia. Gantt did not return phone messages left late Friday.

    Bill Burke, (757) 446-2589, bill.burke@pilotonline.com

    Another report from the same newspaper withpretty much the same story:

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...;SECTION=STATE

    Regent U. bans student over unflattering photo of Pat Robertson

    By HANK KURZ Jr.
    Associated Press Writer
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    RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- A Regent University law student who posted an unflattering photo of school founder Pat Robertson on the Internet has been banned from campus and ordered to undergo a mental health evaluation before he can return to classes.

    Adam M. Key, 23, also was ordered to undergo counseling if a mental health provider that is acceptable to the university deems it appropriate, and to provide a report showing that he has completed any treatment plan required. He also must agree to allow the mental health provider to provide regular updates on his treatment to the school.

    "It's rather entertaining to me that I've been there a year and a half now and only now are they concerned about my mental state," Key said in a telephone interview.

    Key posted a picture of Regent's chancellor and president making what appears to be an obscene gesture on his Facebook social-networking page. Key said he copied the photo from a online video in which Robertson scratches his face with his middle finger.

    In a letter he received Friday from Associate Dean for Student Affairs L.O. Natt Gantt II, Gantt said several students have come forward expressing concern about Key's behavior this semester, and have reported that Key said he brought a gun onto campus.

    Key, who provided a copy of the letter to The Associated Press, denied ever having a gun and accused the university of exploiting the fear that lingers since a gunman at Virginia Tech killed 32 people last April in handing down its harsh punishment.

    "There's a big difference between someone who was incredibly violent like the Virginia Tech kid and someone who disagrees with the administration," he said in a telephone interview. "At the time we start labeling people who have dissenting voices as dangerous, we start losing the freedom that makes us Americans."

    Key said he has consulted with attorneys and intends to file a lawsuit alleging, among other things, that officials have summoned classmates in for discussions and shared with them private information about his academic standing and other matters.

    In the letter, Gantt wrote: "... these students have expressed that your presence on campus causes them to have serious concerns about their personal safety."

    Key said he stands 6-foot-3, weighs 300 pounds, used to be a pro wrestler and has several tattoos, but that his demeanor hasn't changed since he enrolled last year.

    The letter also tells Key that "your undergoing evaluation and possible counseling will enable you to enhance your well-being and improve your future" and says the school has no plans, at present, to begin any proceedings under the Honor Code or the University Standard of Conduct, but reserves the right to take those actions later.

    E-mail messages seeking comment sent to Gantt and Dean Jeffrey Brauch were not returned Friday night, and a spokeswoman said she was not at liberty to comment. She said a written statement issued from Robertson on Thursday night still applied.

    Robertson said privacy laws barred him from commenting on Key's situation, but that "in general, no action should be taken against anyone who exercises their freedom of speech and expression, and that includes criticism or satire of the chancellor.

    He added, however, that the school did not feel that deliberately manipulating a television image to turn it into something obscene was included in that freedom.

    All this, Key said, because of a "simple funny picture of Pat."

    After the private Christian university in Virginia Beach became aware of the posting, Key said officials demanded that he publicly apologize, then withhold public comment about the matter, or submit to the law school dean a legal brief defending the posting. Key chose the latter, arguing that his posting was satire protected under the First Amendment, and said Brauch rejected his written legal brief.

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    My email to Pat and Mr. Gantt:

    Mr. Robertson and Mr. Gantt,

    What the two of you are doing to Mr. Adam Key is unconscionable. Do you want to wreck his career, his life?

    On the matter of the picture. The only honorable thing to do is to completely drop the issue. Accept free speech and freedom. Proclaim it. Honor it.

    On the matter of the gun. Did anyone see a gun? Then forget about it. Did he threaten anyone? Probably a made up story anyway. Listen up. I have guns. So do lots of other people. We are not all crazy! Get it? I sense a real deep vibe throughout the country that guns and gunowners are to be demonized indirectly by accusing all "gunmen" of being mentally ill. It started with Cho. Then a couple of other college students around the country, now Mr. Key. This needs to stop.

    And while we're at it, why does Regent ban students from having guns anyway? How silly. Even Christ said to sell your cloak and buy a sword. The bible also teaches us that a man well armed protects his house, and that to kill a thief in the night is justified.

    XXXXX XXXXXXX

    To email Pat:

    http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/...On/askpat.aspx
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    This is so.....Un-american. It pisses me off. Unflattering comments toward those in positions of authority + possible gun = psych eval.

    The very dangerous undercurrent here is the same one from the Dems YouTube debate, where Biden questions the sanity (and therefore the legal ability) of somebody with an AR-15. You have the right to own firearms, but if you do own firearms you are probably unstable and therefore do not have the right to own firearms. Lets just open the gulags now.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitableand let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come . PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    So wait,if I read the article correctly, this all started b/c he posted a still shot of a man actually displaying his middle finger? Thats not even disrespecting the man in the photo(in question) seeing as he actually DID scratch his face with his middle finger:shock:.

    Ugh.

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    More petty tyranny. Like the jerk in a beater car who makes you wait ten minutes to get his parking spot because he's jealous of your nice car, these people are not above any underhanded tactics they can get away with to punish those who annoy them, including ruining your life, career and reputation.

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    Here is a link that will make your blood boil. Similar to our thread but more benign. No gun on campus, just advocating for CCW on campus = suspention until psych eval

    http://thefire.org/index.php/article/8475.htm



    Hamline University Student Suspended After Advocating Concealed Carry for Students
    School Orders Psychological Evaluation
    October 10, 2007

    FIRE Press Release

    ST. PAUL, Minn., October 10, 2007—Hamline University has suspended a student after he sent an e-mail suggesting that the Virginia Tech massacre might have been stopped if students had been allowed to carry concealed weapons on campus. Student Troy Scheffler is now required to undergo a mandatory “mental health evaluation” before being allowed to return to school. Scheffler, who was suspended without due process just two days after sending the e-mail, has turned to the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) for help.

    “Hamline’s punishment of Troy Scheffler is severe, unfair, and apparently unwarranted,” FIRE President Greg Lukianoff said. “Peacefully advocating for students’ ability to carry a concealed weapon as a response to the Virginia Tech shootings may be controversial, but it simply does not justify ordering a mandatory psychological evaluation.”

    On April 17, 2007, Hamline’s Vice President of Student Affairs, David Stern, sent an e-mail to the campus community offering extra counseling for Hamline students in the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings. Later that day, Scheffler responded directly to Stern, arguing that Virginia Tech’s ban on concealed weapons was part of the problem and advocating that Hamline eliminate its similar policies. Scheffler also wrote that the university’s diversity programs may have angered some in the student body, himself included.

    On April 19, 2007, Hamline University President Linda Hanson e-mailed the campus community again to address the tragedy at Virginia Tech. Scheffler responded directly to Hanson and again criticized the university’s concealed weapons ban, academic standards, financial policies, and the university’s efforts to promote diversity.

    Hanson replied to Scheffler on Friday, April 20, offering him a chance to meet with university personnel to discuss his views the following week. Yet on Monday, April 23, before Scheffler was even able to respond to Hanson’s invitation, he received a hand-delivered letter from Dean of Students Alan Sickbert notifying him that his e-mails to Stern and Hanson were “deemed to be threatening and thus an alleged violation of the Hamline University Judicial Code.”

    Sickbert’s letter also informed Scheffler that he was being placed on immediate “interim suspension” that could not be lifted unless he agreed to a “mental health evaluation” by a licensed mental health professional.

    FIRE wrote to President Hanson on May 29, 2007, vehemently opposing the sanctions against Scheffler, since neither of Scheffler’s e-mails even came close to meeting the legal definition of a “threat.” FIRE also pointed out that Hamline maintains a “Freedom of Expression and Inquiry” policy that encourages the public expression of opinions and the freedom to examine and discuss all questions of interest. FIRE wrote that “it is difficult to reconcile these admirable commitments to freedom of expression with Hamline’s hasty actions against Scheffler.”

    FIRE also informed Hamline administrators that subjecting Scheffler to a mandatory psychological evaluation poses a grave threat to liberty at Hamline. FIRE wrote, “A psychological evaluation, to be overseen by a Hamline administrator, is one of the most invasive and disturbing intrusions upon Scheffler’s individual right to private conscience imaginable. Because Scheffler has shown no proclivity toward violence and has made no threatening comments, this psychological evaluation seeks to assess his political opinions….”

    Hanson responded to FIRE on June 11, 2007, claiming that there were several reasons for Scheffler’s suspension, including the e-mails, his failure to meet with administrators when invited, and “critical input from various members of the Hamline community.” FIRE addressed each of those claims in another letter to Hanson on September 17, 2007. Not only did FIRE reiterate that Scheffler’s e-mails were not threats, but it also pointed out that Scheffler was given less than one full business day before his suspension to respond to the invitation from school officials to discuss his views. FIRE also noted that the alleged information from “various members of the Hamline community,” which supposedly played a role in determining Scheffler’s sanctions, had not even been revealed to Scheffler himself, denying him the right to defend himself or present his side of the story. In a September 28, 2007, response, Hamline’s attorneys refused to address FIRE’s concerns that Scheffler has been denied his due process rights.

    “How can Scheffler hope to defend himself when Hamline refuses even to tell him what he is accused of doing?” FIRE Vice President Robert Shibley asked. “Hamline’s policies promise freedom of expression and basic due process to its students, but this case brings the sincerity of those promises into serious question. FIRE calls on President Hanson to either admit that the suspension and order for a ‘mental health evaluation’ had no justifiable basis or give Scheffler all the information he needs to respond to the charges against him.”

    FIRE is a nonprofit educational foundation that unites civil rights and civil liberties leaders, scholars, journalists, and public intellectuals from across the political and ideological spectrum on behalf of individual rights, due process, freedom of expression, academic freedom, and rights of conscience at our nation’s colleges and universities. FIRE’s efforts to preserve liberty across America can be viewed at thefire.org.

    CONTACT:
    Robert Shibley, Vice President, FIRE: 215-717-3473; robert@thefire.org
    Linda Hanson, President, Hamline University: 651-523-2202; lhanson@hamline.edu
    David Stern, Vice President for Academic and Student Affairs, Hamline University: 651‑523-2088; dstern02@hamline.edu


    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitableand let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come . PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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