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    I'll add more as I find them. Let's see how many copies we can send individually to the various jusrisdictions with issues. How about we start with Olympia. Steve tells me that the City Manager is the head guy there. Perhaps he should receive a bunch ofletters from us that contain all of these pages and expresses our outrage for citizen treatment there. Might also want to mail the same package to the Chief of Police and City Attorney.




    Added: Grrrrrr Someone please tell me how I can add more than oneattachment!!!




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    This one is courtesy of John Hardin.
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    And this one just for fun...
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    Thanks for these, i saved them all to study later.

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    Perhaps the easiest way to distribute those would be to make a zip file with all of them in there. As for court cases, you're missing State vs. Casad. Great work otherwise in compiling them.
    "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good" - George Washington
    "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." - Mahatma Gandhi

    As always, insert standard IANAL disclaimer here.

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    eBratt wrote:
    Perhaps the easiest way to distribute those would be to make a zip file with all of them in there. As for court cases, you're missing State vs. Casad. Great work otherwise in compiling them.
    Here's a copy of Casad (the right Casad - who would have thunk it :?).
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    Good list, thanks! A couple of things I had missed. Forgot my thumbdrive so not downloading anything today... haven't looked on my computer to see if I have the stuff to zip everything together into .zip and don't think a linux .tar file will do most people here anygood...



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    State v. Spencer would also be a good inclusion as it defines what warrants alarm (and what doesn't).

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    sean-1286 wrote:
    State v. Spencer would also be a good inclusion as it defines what warrants alarm (and what doesn't).
    Anyone have this one or can point me in the right direction? Thanks!

    I'm glad to see these being downloaded so many times in such a short period.


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    Another courtesy of Mr. John Hardin. This has all of the above training bulletins in a 2-page format.
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    I found State v. Spencer:


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    Perfect! Thanks for the addition!


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    sean-1286 wrote:
    I found State v. Spencer:

    The only statement in Spencer that helps the OC cause is a footnote that actually came from another case:

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    6 Furthermore, the court reasoned, even if the phrase "warrants alarm" in the present statute could be considered vague, it can be interpreted narrowly for

    purposes of upholding the statute. The court then stated:

    If a weapon is displayed in a manner, under circumstances and at a time and place so that it poses a threat to another person, such a

    display would warrant alarm for the safety of another. Thus, narrowly construing the phrase to apply to only conduct that poses a

    threat to others gives the phrase a narrow and definite focus and saves it from vagueness.

    Maciolek,
    at 268 n.3.

    "

    The court felt that 9.41.270 itself is not vague or overbroad as it addresses conduct. By extension, if one is open carrying yet behaving themself it is perfectly legal behavior. I wouldn't quote Spencer, I'd go for Maciolek and focus on the issue of conduct.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

    "If you refuse to stand up for others now, who will stand up for you when your time comes?"

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    Can we make this a sticky so it stays at the top?

    Another possibility for having all the information available might be to see if whosits that has that NW carry site would be willing to put up a page with all the documents on it. Then this thread could just link to the page.

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    Actually, Spencer provides insight into circumstances and actions that can warrant alarm by the reasonable person standard and gives us an idea of prohibited conduct, and how RCW 9.41.270 is interpreted by the courts. Maciolek may do the same thing, and I tried to find it as well, but was unable.

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    Nice, thanks for posting that link! I saw them individually but hadn't tried ot sort by subject, and therefore couldn't post them as a link.
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    Washington State municipal (cities and counties) codes:

    http://www.mrsc.org/codes.aspx


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