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    I think he is based on the following which is an e-mail communication I had with him over the last 2 days asking for him to request an AG opinion on Open Carry and whether or not a Terry stop applies. Keep in mind that it is in reverse order.



    We have given you what we can. Ifd you want an interpretation of the law you need to hire a lawyer.

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    From: Jerry Davis [mailto:xxxxxx@xxxxxx.net]
    Sent: Mon 10/15/2007 7:36 AM
    To: McCoy, Rep. John
    Subject: Re: AG opinion request



    Rep. McCoy,

    I am not allowed by law to ask for an AG opinion. Besides that I have
    asked and they directed me to speak to an attorney. Only Judges, State
    Congress and Legislature, and heads of Police Dept's are the only ones
    allowed to request an opinion.

    Are you not willing to ask for an opinion from the AG? If so why not.

    Thank You,
    Jerry Davis


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "McCoy, Rep. John" <
    McCoy.John@xxxxx.gov>
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    Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:48 PM
    Subject: RE: AG opinion request


    I am at a loss as to why you want me to ask for an opinion when you can ask
    the question yourself direct to the AG. I encourage you to direct your
    question yourself to the AG.


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    Sent: Sun 10/14/2007 9:15 AM
    To: McCoy, Rep. John
    Subject: AG opinion request



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    SUBJECT: AG opinion request

    MESSAGE:

    Hello,

    About 2 or 3 months ago I wrote to request that Rep. McCoy ask for an
    Attorney General opinion on the legalities of openly carrying a firearm. As
    I stated before there is a increase in the number of people that are openly
    carrying firearms as well as many training bulletins issued by Police Dept
    heads to thier officers regarding open carry. I was told that Rep. McCoy was
    considering requesting an opinion reagarding this and I recieved a phone
    call from an investigator at the Snohomics County Prosecutors office that
    told me that while open carry probably was legal it was silly. This is not
    exactly the response I was hoping for or wanting. There have been many
    actions around the state by law enforcement officers that amount to possible
    constitutional violations as well as unlawful siezure. These actions of the
    officers, while I do agree with them on a safety standpoint but not on a
    constitutional standpoint, are possibly creating an atmosphere that will
    result in a law suit with themselves, thier deptartment, and the
    municipality as defendants. To me this would be a tragedy to all taxpayers
    as this could result in a great deal of monetary loss resulting in cutbacks
    that could take years to recoup.

    I am asking once again that Rep. McCoy request an opinion from the
    Attorney General about the subject of open carrying a firearm and whether or
    not it is grounds for a Terry stop. He can learn more about it at
    Opencarry.org and nwcdl.org. I would also urge him to read the Washington
    State Supreme court rulings of State v. Casad, while it was not published it
    does give an indication on how the courts view openly carried firearms, and
    State v Day, I am unsure if it was published.

    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

    "though I walk through the valley in the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for I know that you are by my side" Glock 23:40

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    Unless you are a Native American or wish to do business with the Tulalip Tribes (Casino, Quilceda Villiage, Outlet Mall, or other Reservation Location) Rep. McCoy doesn't have time. He is too busy trying to get the Sales Tax Revenue that the above businesses collect remitted back to the tribe.

    He is not one of "our representatives" he is more "their (meaning Tulalip's) representative. Don't expect any help as he isn't one of the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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    Can you get your local sheriff or police chief to ask instead? Sounds like McCoy does not embody the high ideals of an elected official...

    Steve

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    I would try the Police Chief but I am not a big fan of Scharf, he is, like most of them, to politically involved, and IMHO not a LEO. I was thinking Lovick but I seem to remember him asking someone why they felt they needed to carry a gun. I'm pretty sure Rick Bart won't do it since his term is almost up.

    Amlevin do you know anything about Rep. Mike Sells?
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

    "though I walk through the valley in the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for I know that you are by my side" Glock 23:40

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    amlevin wrote:
    Don't expect any help as he isn't one of the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.
    I gathered that from the above e-mail correspondence. Man is he a lost cause as far as I am concerned.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

    "though I walk through the valley in the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for I know that you are by my side" Glock 23:40

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    sv_libertarian wrote:
    Can you get your local sheriff or police chief to ask instead? Sounds like McCoy does not embody the high ideals of an elected official...

    Steve
    From the AG website:

    Who is entitled to request an Attorney General Opinion?


    • Members of the Washington State Legislature.

    • Statewide elected officials.

    • Appointed heads of state agencies, boards, or commissions.

    • County prosecuting attorneys.

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    Marty Hayes wrote:
    sv_libertarian wrote:
    Can you get your local sheriff or police chief to ask instead? Sounds like McCoy does not embody the high ideals of an elected official...

    Steve
    From the AG website:

    Who is entitled to request an Attorney General Opinion?


    • Members of the Washington State Legislature.

    • Statewide elected officials.

    • Appointed heads of state agencies, boards, or commissions.

    • County prosecuting attorneys.
    Does the Statewide Elected Officials only include state officials or would it include county officials as well?
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

    "though I walk through the valley in the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for I know that you are by my side" Glock 23:40

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    joeroket wrote:
    Marty Hayes wrote:
    sv_libertarian wrote:
    Can you get your local sheriff or police chief to ask instead? Sounds like McCoy does not embody the high ideals of an elected official...

    Steve
    From the AG website:

    Who is entitled to request an Attorney General Opinion?

    • Members of the Washington State Legislature.

    • Statewide elected officials.

    • Appointed heads of state agencies, boards, or commissions.

    • County prosecuting attorneys.
    Does the Statewide Elected Officials only include state officials or would it include county officials as well?
    My guess is no, since county officials aren't voted on by anyone outside of the county. What's interesting is this list excludes police chiefs and county sheriffs.
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    joeroket wrote:
    Marty Hayes wrote:
    sv_libertarian wrote:
    Can you get your local sheriff or police chief to ask instead? Sounds like McCoy does not embody the high ideals of an elected official...

    Steve
    From the AG website:

    Who is entitled to request an Attorney General Opinion?


    • Members of the Washington State Legislature.

    • Statewide elected officials.

    • Appointed heads of state agencies, boards, or commissions.

    • County prosecuting attorneys.
    Does the Statewide Elected Officials only include state officials or would it include county officials as well?
    No, statewide means everyone in the state votes for them. Examples of this would the Gov. Lt. Gov. Sec. of State, etc.

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    So the AG can ask himself for an opinion?

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    heresolong wrote:
    So the AG can ask himself for an opinion?
    But would he listen?

    Someone should send the above list to the moron on McCoy's staff that evidently doesn't know the process.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

    "If you refuse to stand up for others now, who will stand up for you when your time comes?"

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    amlevin wrote:
    heresolong wrote:
    So the AG can ask himself for an opinion?
    But would he listen?

    Someone should send the above list to the moron on McCoy's staff that evidently doesn't know the process.
    The funny thing is that the moron on McCoy's staff is actually McCoy, at least I think it was him. He is the one that responded to my e-mails. Every other time I have had contact with him or another rep thier staff has returned the response from thier own e-mail address, not to mention very good grammar and well spoken. This one came directly from McCoy's e-mail and not a staffer. It's OK I replied to him with basically a I can tell you are an anti-gun rep who wants to trample on the 2A and I will make sure everyone I know who owns a firearm knows it.

    I looked through Mike Sells record and cannot find anything that would indicate to me which way he leans on the 2A and citizens right to carry. I think I am going to fire a request off to him.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

    "though I walk through the valley in the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for I know that you are by my side" Glock 23:40

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