Still, we have to hammer the NRA for this stupid bill. For all we know, Wayne LaPierre not only Compromised with the Cali state legislature, he probably made a sweetheart deal with Schwarzenegger to guarantee that the anti-2A-enator would sign the bill. And what do we get out of it? More soliciations for contributions!A lot of holes in this bill. Many doubt it will ever be implemented:
More unadulterated and indefensiblefailure by the NRA (negotiate rights away). Would the GOA have let this happen? I think not...What's more immediately pressing is the requirement that newly purchased hand guns in CA must have a loaded chamber indicator and magazine disconnect (and since 2000 are limited to 10 RD mags).
That's just one more hole showing that it is completely illogical to even suggest such legislation.OK, as I read this bill, it will require newly designed pistols to have the technology. So, if you have a Glock 17 which was designed decades ago, it would not be required to meet the microstamping requirement.
Proud? That's an odd way to put it.
I'm proud of Glock for TRYING to talk some sense into others and taking a stand as needed.
I own and carry a Glock. My Glock has served me in a self-defense situation. I'm glad to know that my money went to a company willing to take such a stand. Glock pride, baby!Demarest wrote:Proud? That's an odd way to put it.
I'm proud of Glock for TRYING to talk some sense into others and taking a stand as needed.
This micro stamping noncense needs to be killed before it spreads to other states.
cato wrote:Still, we have to hammer the NRA for this stupid bill. For all we know, Wayne LaPierre not only Compromised with the Cali state legislature, he probably made a sweetheart deal with Schwarzenegger to guarantee that the anti-2A-enator would sign the bill. And what do we get out of it? More soliciations for contributions!A lot of holes in this bill. Many doubt it will ever be implemented:
cato wrote:More unadulterated and indefensiblefailure by the NRA (negotiate rights away). Would the GOA have let this happen? I think not...What's more immediately pressing is the requirement that newly purchased hand guns in CA must have a loaded chamber indicator and magazine disconnect (and since 2000 are limited to 10 RD mags).
I would not be surprised to learn that other manufacturers (S&W, Ruger, Kimber, etc.) have done the same things that GLOCK has done to oppose the legislation. Actually, I'd be very surprised if they did not. It's a no-brainer.
HankT wrote:cato wrote:Still, we have to hammer the NRA for this stupid bill. For all we know, Wayne LaPierre not only Compromised with the Cali state legislature, he probably made a sweetheart deal with Schwarzenegger to guarantee that the anti-2A-enator would sign the bill. And what do we get out of it? More soliciations for contributions!A lot of holes in this bill. Many doubt it will ever be implemented:
cato wrote:More unadulterated and indefensiblefailure by the NRA (negotiate rights away). Would the GOA have let this happen? I think not...What's more immediately pressing is the requirement that newly purchased hand guns in CA must have a loaded chamber indicator and magazine disconnect (and since 2000 are limited to 10 RD mags).
HankT - I have no idea why you're distorting the truth about the N.R.A's stance on that bill, but the actual truth can be found here: http://www.nraila.org/GrassrootsAlerts/read.aspx (see "State Roundup" - California).
I'm happy for you that you like G.O.A better, but that's no reason to lie. So - either provide evidence for those wild accusations or quit lying. Pete
Whats a 'negative compromiser'? I think the proper form would be ~C (not compromiser). However, all these arguments against the NRA miss a very valid point, compromise is the foundation of a working republic, the argument should instead focus on what compromises are acceptable, not on the idea of compromise itself. Obviously the Brady's idea of "compromise means you bend over and like it" isn't acceptable, but dividing the troops over the NRA's refusal to adopt and all or nothing approach (which is FAR more likely to return nothing than it is to giveus all)is idiotic and counter-productive. Also, more to the topic at hand, what evidence do you have that the NRA 'sold us out' on the micro-stamping bill?
I would like to clear up my position on the NRA, as I feel a lot of you are under the wrong impression.
I have taken a hard line against, what I believe the NRA has done in the past, and some do not agree with my assessment, which is as it should be; we all do not share the same beliefs.
On the issue of Compromises, I feel that the NRA has done too much of this in the past, and others of you do not, but here is my point of view, if you co-operate with the enemy, then you compromise your position, and I take the Anti Gun Group as the enemy to the Constitution, and especially the Second Amendment.
As the Country takes the position that they will not, deal with Terrorist Demands, because of the obvious reasons, I feel the same way about the Second Amendment, we can not negotiate with the Anti Gun Groups, because it would be, as already demonstrated with the loss of some Rights, and if we continue to negotiate with them, we will loose yet more, and I don’t want to see that happen.
The NRA made Concessions with the Brady Group some years back and we lost some of the things we had not major but nun the less a loss, there has been efforts to make additional concessions to placate the Anti Gun Groups for the sake of “we will give them this so we don’t have to loose all on this or that”.
I don’t like giving in to any of their ideas for any reason; to me they are a group of Idiots that are under the misguided belief that if there were no guns there would be no crime, we all know that isn’t so, they are under the impression that by making Gun Free Zones that those with in are safe and out of harms way that too is not true, Our schools are so paranoid about guns that a Student can not even draw a picture of one with out be kicked out of School.
As I see it he Second Amendment is what it says it is or it isn’t we can not have it both ways and if we and the Groups that are supposed to be there to help protect it from encroachment by the Anti Gun Groups, The Federal Government, or any one else that fancies them selves as the Protectors of the Ignorant and Helpless then we surly will loose the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
We can not compromise, negotiate, or simply give in to their demands, it is far too important.
If I am wrong, and you can point me in another direction, with out attacking then I’m willing to listen.
I have tried to explain my feelings, and why I don’t like what I perceive as compromises, or negotiations, to get by an issue by the NRA, which weakens our Second Amendment Rights, and I do accept the fact that the NRA has been there for a long time and that they have a strong voice in the lobbying effort, I’m not denying that, nor am I saying that they are not able to help, so long as they do not bend to placate the enemy.
Lol:lol:That's about as effective as micro stamping will ever be.massltca wrote:
This micro stamping noncense needs to be killed before it spreads to other states.
Well, if it can't get taken out beforehand, I suppose there's always grabbing handfuls of casings when at the range, and dropping them all over town like popcorn... :?
"I thought the report said there was only one shooter. There's casings from a dozen different guns here!"
Oh, and XDTalk seems to be down...