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    Ok, so a spammer has been floating through some of the gun forums posting a price list for guns and an e-mail to contact them by. Longwatch was fast on the draw and was able to remove the spam almost immediately, so kudos to him. I'm curious, though, if these prices could be legitimate. I sent a message to the e-mail asking about who they are, where they are located, etc., to see if it's just some scam or what. They responded giving little information, saying only that they are in the UK, all firearms are new and never fired, and they ship in 4 days.

    So whats the deal here? Can you even ship a gun from the UK to the US in the mail, FFL or not? Please don't start flaming me for asking about this. I've already had someone on another gun forum ask ME if I knew anything about it, so I'm trying to get everyone on here involved.

    Anyway here's the original message. I removed the e-mail so as to not advertise.


    Fire Arms Agency Limited
    Kindly view our price list for new guns below and send your inquiry to *****************
    Kimber Eclipse Custom II 45ACP $550USD
    Springfield 1911 LW Operator 45 ACP 45ACP $350
    Smith & Wesson 627 PC 5" 8 Shot 357 Mag $350
    E2S M4 A1 Carbine 16in. .223 $300
    Kimber Custom II 45ACP/Night Sights $300
    Kimber Stainless Ten II 45ACP $300
    Knight Long Range Hunter 27 .52 Cal. Right-Handed Rifle $250
    Knight Long Range Hunter 27 .52 Cal. Left-Handed Rifle $250
    Remington 870 12 Ga 18" OD Knoxx Spec Ops Stock $200
    CZ-75 Compact Black Poly 40S&W $200
    Smith & Wesson 442 Airweight 38 Spl $150
    Pistols:
    Boxed Pair George Washington Flintlock Pistols$1200
    Dye DM7 Paintball Gun Clear Dust $700
    DYE DM7 Paintball Marker $700
    Dye DM7 Paintball Gun Red Dust $700
    A cased pair of travelling pistols $800
    CARBON 15 97 223 PISTOL $600USD
    Planet Eclipse 07 EGO Paintball Gun - Gun Metal Grey $600
    06 Bob Long Infamous intimidator $400
    Bob Long Ripper 2.5 Intimidator Blue $350
    First Endeavor Quest Paintball Marker Olive Dust $350
    Dye Matrix DMC Paintball Gun - Black $250
    NEW Olympic Arms OA-93 Pistols $350
    Colt .45 WWI Faithful Reproduction $300
    Colt .45 WWI Faithful Reproduction $300 $300
    1860 Army Revolver .44 Caliber Pistols $150
    BA-6 Laser HK USP Pistols $150
    Riffle Guns:
    1924 Wesley Richards Riffle $1200
    Marlin 30-30 $250
    Price List For Pistols
    1860 Army Revolver .44 Caliber Pistols: $150usd
    "SIG PRO 2340, 40S&W cal, VG condition.": $180usd
    Glock 23 - $200usd
    Glock 37 - .45 GAP - NEW:$250usd
    Bersa Thunder 9MM Pistol 13 Rd : $200usd
    COLT COMMANDER XSE 45 ACP STAINLESS STEEL
    PISTOL:$400usd
    BushMaster Carbon 15 9MM Pistol: $350usd
    RUGER 357 MAG BL 6SHOT REVOLVER: $200usd
    GLOCK 22 40SW 15RD FS $220usd
    Ruger NR5 22LR Western Revolver :$150usd
    WALTHER PPK/S 380ACP DA 7RD SS:$230usd
    BERETTA 84FS 380 10RD BLK PG:$300usd
    COLT 1970 GOVERNMENT COMBAT SPECIAL:$700usd
    COLT 1991 COMMANDER 45ACP STAINLESS STEEL:$500usd
    Officer's Colt Civil War Pistol with Custom Grips:$2,000.
    Colt 1911 MK IV, Series 80 Officers Model .45ACP:$300usd
    Ruger Single Six .22LR, Old Model:$150usd
    S&W K-38 Combat Masterpiece, model 15-3. .38 Special:$200usd
    Colt Detective Special .38 Special:$250usd
    Smith & Wesson 3913 Stainless, 9mm:$260usd
    SigArms P228 Nickel Slide, 9mm:$400usd

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    DreQo wrote:
    Ok, so a spammer has been floating through some of the gun forums posting a price list for guns and an e-mail to contact them by. Longwatch was fast on the draw and was able to remove the spam almost immediately, so kudos to him. I'm curious, though, if these prices could be legitimate. I sent a message to the e-mail asking about who they are, where they are located, etc., to see if it's just some scam or what. They responded giving little information, saying only that they are in the UK, all firearms are new and never fired, and they ship in 4 days.

    So whats the deal here? Can you even ship a gun from the UK to the US in the mail, FFL or not? Please don't start flaming me for asking about this. I've already had someone on another gun forum ask ME if I knew anything about it, so I'm trying to get everyone on here involved.

    Anyway here's the original message. I removed the e-mail so as to not advertise.
    Sounds like a scam to me. I glanced at the post here yesterday. The 5" 627 for $350 did catch my eye, though...

    How did they say they want payment in their reply to your e-mail?

    BTW, I don't know why you would redact the e-mail address. People just have a natural urge to censor stuff....it's an amazing thing.

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    Those prices are so low it's either a scam or the guns are stolen. And I'm just a tad curious, how is someone selling handguns from the UK when they are banned there?

    By the way, you did not redact the email address properly. Anyone can mouse over the email and it shows the link. Wouldn't a reputable dealer have a real email address instead of a yahoo account?

    A Google search of that email shows 3 pages of results. This guy has been spamming all over the place, mostly in the comments section of news stories.

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    nakedshoplifter wrote:
    Those prices are so low it's either a scam or the guns are stolen. And I'm just a tad curious, how is someone selling handguns from the UK when they are banned there?

    By the way, you did not redact the email address properly. Anyone can mouse over the email and it shows the link. Wouldn't a reputable dealer have a real email address instead of a yahoo account?

    A Google search of that email shows 3 pages of results. This guy has been spamming all over the place, mostly in the comments section of news stories.
    Thanks, NSL. I missed that. I don'tthink anyone shouldworry about that spam catching some unsuspecting gun lover. Anyone who has been around the Net for a while is smart enough to figure it out.

    I'm not brave enough to send an e-mail to the address though. That might be a little dicey...[blur]firearmsagencyltd@yahoo.co.uk[/blur]


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    When you said I DID redact it properly, did you really mean did, or did you mean to say didn't? lol As far as starring it out, Hank, it's not a natural urge to censor things, it's showing respect to the fact that the post had already oncebeen rightfully removed from this forum because it is spam.

    Anyway I e-mailed them implying that I was interested in purchasing, but I needed more information. Along with the information I already mentioned, they also said that they can't give me the shipping information until they know what country I am in. I gave them a State and zip code and asked what the total priced shipped for the kimber was (just because it was the first on the list). I also asked if it needed to be shipped to an FFL dealer. We'll see how they respond. So far the spelling and grammar has been correct, but not natural.

    I doubt any of it is legitimate, but I'll just keep digging until I find the catch or have a $550 kimber on my hip :celebrate. lol Ok so I wouldn't do that, but I am gonna find out whats goin on.

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    nakedshoplifter wrote:
    By the way, you did not redact the email address properly.
    Huh?

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    Haha ok I'm just reading stuff with my eyes crossed tonight apparently. Sorry . The e-mail addy is fixed now.

    Anyway so I lied about the grammar...it sucks. Whoever is typing these e-mails is definitely not english speaking. The last e-mail I sent to them asked very plainly what the total price with shipping would be (I specified a zip code) and whether it had to be shipped to an FFL dealer. This is what I got in response:

    Dear Sir,

    We greatly appreciate you for placing your order with our company sir.
    Due to your recent email we will want you to get back to us with the details of the FFL holder in your country then your item will be shipped to you via FEDEX and your shipping charges to United States will be $50.

    But if you could not provide the FFL holder we have a private shipping company that can deliver your Kimber Eclipse Custom II 45ACP to whatever address you want to safely then the shipping charges is $100.

    Please get back to us immediately because we are now getting your Kimber Eclipse Custom II 45ACP pack and ready for shipment immediately your payment is confirmed. We hope to hear from you soon.

    Best Regards

    Director.
    FIRE ARMS AGENCY LTD.

    That's the original format, too. I assure you I DID NOT place an order, lol, and they don't have any of my information. They don't even know my name, and the zip code I gave them wasn't mine. I replied and told them that I would get the FFL dealer address for them tomorrow, and clarified that the total price would be $600 for the Kimber. I also asked how they expected to receive payment. lol This crap is ridiculous.

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    I think the appropriate rule here is, "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."

    What these guys are actually "selling" is probably one of: (A) nothing, (B) stolen guns, or (C) some cheap knockoffs that are dangerously unsafe to operate. I'm betting on (A), myself. :P

    Sure wish I could get a brand new Kimber Eclipse for $550, though...

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    Ask him if he has a "Glock 7" for sale.

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    Awww all right so I got another reply. These guys are sad...I was hoping it'd be a decent scam. Oh well..

    Dear Sir,

    We greatly appreciate you for placing your order with our company sir.
    Due to your recent email we like to inform your payment will be made via the fastest and the safest method of sending and receiving payment which is Western Union Money Transfer.

    Due to your recent message we will want you to get back to us with the FFL holder details tomorrow and also make your payment tomorrow so that your order can be shipped to the address immediately your payment is confirmed.

    We want to inform that the Kimber Eclipse Custom II 45ACP will get to you with all the manuals. Once your payment is confirmed your Kimber Eclipse Custom II 45ACP will shipped out of our store and it will be delivered to you within 4 days.

    We hope to hear from you soon as possible so we can continue with your order immediately.

    Best Regards

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    Western Union, haha yeah right. I replied back and told them that we would have to use something like paypal so I could dispute the charge if I didn't receive the right product, or any product at all. I also told them that it sounds like a scam. We'll see how they respond to that, lol.

    Note: don't worry guys, I'm not about to give them my credit card or any other information. I can't believe that there are people that would fall for this crap.

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    Of course the price caught your eye. That's the point. It's not free, but cheap enough to where it hurts not to take advantage of the offer (read: scam). He ends up with 1/2 to 2/3 the cost of a gun and you end up with...an empty place in both your wallet and holster.

    What kind of gun dealer operates in the UK where there isn't anyone to buy any of your guns?

    Don't even consider this guy. He's a classic spam-scam artist.

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    Got two more e-mails from them after questioning their payment method and basically accusing them of scamming. Of course the SMART thing for him to do at this point is just shut up, be continued:

    Dear Sir,

    Due to your recent email we will like to inform you that we a well organised and a registered company in United Kingdom. We will also like to inform you that we can not ship your order without the confirmation of your payment.

    We ceased to receive our payments via Credit Card and paypal due to some customers that paid with a fraud card and causes problem to our company after which we have delivered their items.

    We will want you to build a trust in our company because we will not like to lose you as a customer therefore we will not do anything stupid to make us lose you as a customer. We promise you that we will ship your item once your payment is confirmed.

    Best Regards

    Director.
    FIRE ARMS AGENCY LTD


    So then 20 minutes later, when I hadn't responded to that e-mail, they send another one:


    Dear Sir,


    We want you to give us a call via this number in order to talk over the transaction. Tel:+447024063231

    Best Regards

    Director.
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    What kind of a phone number is that? I'm done with these guys, but I'm surprised they're pushin like they are.

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    Maybe it's LEO 229 trying to prove that good guns are affordable to everyone?

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    Its a phone number in the U.K. Google it and check out the results. In their former life it looks as if they scammed in the cell phone market.......I guess they figure bigger profits in the gun market

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    I think we should have fun with the scammer and play along with him/her.

    "I need a gun that can intimidate a convenience store clerk. What do you recommend?"

    "I just got out of prison for rape, though I swear I'm innocent, er, not guilty. Anyway, can you ship the gun in packaging so customs doesn't figure out what it is?"

    "I want... the gun of Rambo."

    "Now, do you have a semi-automatic MAC-10 that can be converted to full auto? Not that I'm planning to do it, but I'm just wondering."

    "My name is OJ Simpson..."

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    Maybe a certain state senator in Fairfax would like a toy shipped to her.

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    Looks the Nigerians have a new scam. Funny how they didn't even protest me removing the post.

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    That's totally a Nigerian scam. Western Union+Bad grammar+Yahoo email address=Nigeria. I'm sure if it really got down to it, he'd tell you to send the money to his "finance department" or some crap like that, and they would just so happen to be in Nigeria.

    But if you could not provide the FFL holder we have a private shipping company that can deliver your Kimber Eclipse Custom II 45ACP to whatever address you want to safely then the shipping charges is $100.
    ...riiiight...

    Somebody want to see if he's actually having the money sent to the UK, and if so inform the UK authorities of a guy trying to sell guns illegally?



    Here's thetypical scam:

    I would like to buy your item that I have saw while on craigslist. I have a private shipping company that picks up my items at my for me. I will send to you payment for your item, plus money for my shipper, and you can send the money Western Union to him. I hope I can trust you... Here's a money order that will cover the $500 as well in addition to the $2500 for my shipper. Please western union $2500 to my shippers office in Nigeria.

    (the money order is fake but the bank will cash it for you and tell you that it has cleared, then 2 weeks later they will charge you back, because the money order is just a realistic fake)

    Looks like in this case they aren't even trying to send out fraudulent money orders.

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    If DreQo is internet savy he could post up the full message headers so we could see what country the emails are being sent from.

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    Firearms can only be imported into the US if they are sent to an FFL and the purchaser has an approved ATF form 6.

    Even without all the Nigerian scam like the Western Union stuff and even if they were legitimate and sent you the firearm you ordered you would still be in violation of Federal Law if you import a firearm without the correct paperwork.

    Like just about any other Federal firearms offense you would be looking at up to 10 years in a cell with a guy named Bubba.

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    A little off subject...

    I got my Kimber Custom Stainless II for $450 through a private sale. Dumbass got married and wife said he couldn't have a gun in "HER" home - I guess it isn't his home even though he owned it before they got married. I have known the guy for years, and was at the wedding.

    I guess I would have never been able to get it if LEO 229 (http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/5669-1.html)and other have their way. You know, the FDA should close the Lemonade Stand loopholes next.

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    nakedshoplifter wrote:
    If DreQo is internet savy he could post up the full message headers so we could see what country the emails are being sent from.



    X-Apparently-To:
    ******************* via 68.142.198.149; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:24:45 -0700

    X-Originating-IP:
    [217.146.182.131]

    Return-Path:
    <firearmsagencyltd@yahoo.co.uk>

    Authentication-Results:
    mta194.mail.re3.yahoo.com from=yahoo.co.uk; domainkeys=pass (ok)

    Received:
    from 217.146.182.131 (HELO web28111.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.182.131) by mta194.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:24:45 -0700

    Received:
    (qmail 53441 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Nov 2007 01:24:44 -0000

    DomainKey-Signature:
    a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Receivedate:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=O3YEbeKoWR8m1pRxvtlSP1Px2F8pgEgPrnXHKauT2KHkgai+ pNIq0ZhmTphyDiWw92C3roT4ju+0cyrU9HFgq44J716NF1aFWL a/cv5lkrhrmflH9QxlasYEsSols/Z2pJ7XWdVg8D0hDWjEMlzv6vabW9MLsm6rWNYAGBOgqN0=;

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    from [82.128.19.182] by web28111.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 01:24:44 GMT

    Date:
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    From:
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    Subject:
    Re: purchase inquiry..

    To:
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    In-Reply-To:
    <719719.86949.qm@web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com&gt ;

    MIME-Version:
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    Content-Type:
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    Message-ID:
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    Content-Length:
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    There's your header. I took out my e-mail addy...other than that it's just copied and pasted. I'm savvy enough to find the header but I haven't a clue how to determine country of origin. I'll let you guys figure that one out.

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    Confirmed, he's in Nigeria...

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    from [82.128.19.182] by web28111.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 01:24:44 GMT

    inetnum: 82.128.0.0 - 82.128.23.0
    netname: INET-MLTL
    descr: CDMA 1x Dialup Pool
    country: NG
    admin-c: DG26
    tech-c: RIA27
    status: ASSIGNED PA
    mnt-by: MLTL-INT-MNT
    mnt-lower: MLTL-INT-MNT
    changed: deep@multi-links.com 20070907
    source: AFRINIC
    parent: 82.128.0.0 - 82.128.31.255


    person: Dwaipayan Ghosh
    address: 231, Adeola Odeku Street
    Victoria Island
    Lagos, Nigeria
    phone: +23417751039
    e-mail: deep@multilinks.com
    nic-hdl: DG26
    notify: deep@multillinks.com
    changed: deep@multilinks.com 20030507
    changed: hostmaster@afrinic.net 20050205
    remarks: data has been transferred from RIPE Whois Database 20050221
    source: AFRINIC


    person: IP Admin-RIPE
    address: Multilinks Telecommunications Limited
    address: 231 Adeola Odeku Str.
    address: Victoria Island, Lagos, Nigeria
    e-mail: ipadmin@multilinks.com
    remarks: complaints/spam report : abuse@multilinks.com
    phone: +2341774000
    nic-hdl: RIA27
    changed: techadmin@multilinks.com 20040331
    changed: hostmaster@afrinic.net 20050205
    remarks: data has been transferred from RIPE Whois Database 20050221
    source: AFRINIC



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    Thats funny as hell. Why is it ALWAYS Nigerians??

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    It's not so strange. Most spam comes from the United States and is essentially the same thing with less sophistication.

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