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    MR. RUSSERT:
    And we are back. Senator Fred Thompson is our guest. Virginia Tech, last April 32 killed, terrible tragedy. You had a radio report back at that time, and I’d like to share it with you and our viewers. “Virginia Tech,” the “administrators overrode Virginia state law and threatened to expel or fire anybody who brings a weapon,” on the “campus. Many other universities have been swayed by an anti-gun, anti-self defense ideology. Whenever I’ve seen one of those ‘Gun-free zone’ signs, especially outside of a school filled with our youngest and most vulnerable citizens, I’ve always wondered exactly who these signs are directed at.” My sense in reading that is that you would be in favor of licensed citizens of Virginia, students, including students, to carry concealed weapons on a college campus.

    MR. THOMPSON: It would have to be consistent with campus rules. I don’t think that all students need to be carrying weapons on the school campus. What I would, I would feel more comfortable with, if a child of mine was on campus, when I read about these people, 30 people or so being lined up and systematically killed without anybody apparently around to do anything about it, I think some, some thought really needs to be given as to who should be properly qualified and permitted and, and armed on campuses and other places where large people gather. But...

    MR. RUSSERT: But you would, you would allow a campus to bar their students from carrying concealed weapons?

    MR. THOMPSON: Yeah, it, it would have to be consistent with state law and, and, and school rules. And different schools would have, you know, the, the freedom to, to have their own rules as, as, as they see fit.
    Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. LAB/NRA/GOP *******

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    Glad I already donated to Ron Paul!!
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitableand let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come . PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    Well, someone just lost all my support.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Im shocked, shocked that he was just pandering to the gun vote, say it ain't so!
    LOL glad I'm on the Paul bandwagon.

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    http://www.washingtontimes.com/artic...111060024/1002

    Thompson talks guns in N.H. from the other side of his mouth, face head, ... farther South?

    "You remind the people of the importance of their constitutional rights. I've been a strong supporter of the Second Amendment ever since I've been in politics; that's the way I've been yesterday, that's the way I am today and that's the way I'll be tomorrow," he said to cheers from the crowd, gathered in a concrete-floor warehouse.

    Mr. Romney got into hot water when he told a man wearing a National Rifle Association hat in Keene, N.H., in April that he has "been a hunter pretty much all my life." In reality, he's hunted just twice: rabbits on a ranch in Idaho when he was 15, and last year, when he shot quail on a fenced game preserve in Georgia.

    Mr. Giuliani aggressively went after gun traffickers when he was mayor, filing a lawsuit against a several gun manufacturers and dealers and supporting tough new gun laws, including a ban on assault weapons.

    Mr. Thompson, who entered the campaign in September and has sought to sell himself as the bona fide conservative in the race, said "that's one of the advantages of having a record."



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    So... those select few students on campus who would be permitted to exercise their rights would who, then?

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    Knock your socks off, guys. But....

    a vote for Ron Paul = a vote for Rudy Giuliani






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    Even Fred Thompson doubts he'll be president
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wuspols106.xml

    "Trying to encourage his studio to hurry up so an interview could start, Carl Cameron of Fox News said into his microphone: "The next president of the United States has a schedule to keep." Standing beside him, a deadpan Mr Thompson interjected: "And so do I.""


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    HankT wrote:
    Knock your socks off, guys. But....

    a vote for Ron Paul = a vote for Rudy Giuliani




    Would you care to expound upon that statement?

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    Now youve done it. Now hes going to tell us because Guilliani is equal to Clinton, a vote for Paul is really a vote for Clinton.

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    Did I poke the teddy bear?

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    sedjester wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    Knock your socks off, guys. But....

    a vote for Ron Paul = a vote for Rudy Giuliani




    Would you care to expound upon that statement?
    +100

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    sedjester wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    Knock your socks off, guys. But....

    a vote for Ron Paul = a vote for Rudy Giuliani




    Would you care to expound upon that statement?
    It's pretty simple...just the way I like it: In the primaries, if one is voting for Paul, one is logically much closer to voting for Thompson, Tancredo, Hunter, Huckabee, Romney, McCain, Brownback than to Giuliani. And the distancefrom avoter's preference for Paulis 35.7 x 1045 light-years away from Giuliani.

    Giuliani is the favorite right now and looks to stay that way through the first primaries.

    Soooooo, voting for Paul means that one of the non-Giuliani candidates will generallyhave avote taken from them (if Paul doesn't get it). Now, in the case of minor candidates, like Tancredo and Hunter, it doesn't mean anything. But if thePaul voter denies his second choice to Romney, Thompson,Huckabeeand McCain, then itlessons their chances to beat Giuliani.


    I'm not saying (venemously or otherwise) that Paul is bad. I'm just saying that the better he does, the better Giuliani likes it. Paul may very well play the spoiler for Messrs. Romney, Thompson, Huckabee and McCain. He'll certainly play the spoiler for at least a few of them in at least a few primaries.

    If you support Giuliani, and you really want him to win....max out ontributing to him and then double up by sending an equal amountto Paul.

    What do you think about this idea, sedjester? Anyone?



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    Now youve done it. Now hes going to tell us because Guilliani is equal to Clinton, a vote for Paul is really a vote for Clinton.
    I'm not sure what you mean there, LW. I hadn't taken my thoughts beyond the primaries.

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    I am tired of being told (now, also by the NRA) that if I vote for a third party candidate, I am taking away from the "wonderful", "gun-loving" republicans. That's bull, it's time the NRA Republicans stop assuming that we're going to jump in line when they say so. Maybe if they loose some elections because we refuse to get in bed with theanti-America crowd, they'll wake up. The Republicans are still trying to figure out why they didn't get reelected during the last election. They're screwing us, and we are sick of it. But they assume they aren't liberal enough, and just go farther off the deep end. Until they wake up, I am done with politicians who whip out the NRA membership card and say "I love guns, see?" Bull, all that means is you paid the NRA $25.00 for a piece of plastic. Look at the candidate's record and judge them on that.Not the fake smiles, perfectly ironedplaid shirts partially covered with a tactical shooting vest in an attempt to look they shoot all the time, and the humorous but disgusting attempts to get votes from the 2nd amendment crowd just because they hold a gun or have a photo session with them attempting to shoot a gun. You know what fake conservative Democrats and Republicans? If Hilary gets elected because we voted for a third party candidate who really really "gets it" then I'm OK with that. The fake conservatives are pushing us down the same road that Hilary is on, the only difference is that Hilary is taking us there on a plane, and they're taking us on a train. It's like choosing between being murdered or being killed on purpose; it's the same frickin' thing.

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    HankT wrote:
    sedjester wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    Knock your socks off, guys. But....

    a vote for Ron Paul = a vote for Rudy Giuliani




    Would you care to expound upon that statement?
    <snip>

    Soooooo, voting for Paul means that one of the non-Giuliani candidates will generallyhave avote taken from them (if Paul doesn't get it). Now, in the case of minor candidates, like Tancredo and Hunter, it doesn't mean anything. But if thePaul voter denies his second choice to Romney, Thompson,Huckabeeand McCain, then itlessons their chances to beat Giuliani.

    <snip>
    Like I've said before, if I have to vote between the lesser of two weevils then we need to get new flour. I will vote for who I think "will do the best job" whether or not they will get elected. If I vote for somebody just so Giuliani or Clinton won't get elected then I am not being true to myself and my country. Shame on you for suggesting such a thing.

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    sedjester wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    sedjester wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    Knock your socks off, guys. But....

    a vote for Ron Paul = a vote for Rudy Giuliani




    Would you care to expound upon that statement?
    <snip>

    Soooooo, voting for Paul means that one of the non-Giuliani candidates will generallyhave avote taken from them (if Paul doesn't get it). Now, in the case of minor candidates, like Tancredo and Hunter, it doesn't mean anything. But if thePaul voter denies his second choice to Romney, Thompson,Huckabeeand McCain, then itlessons their chances to beat Giuliani.

    <snip>
    Like I've said before, if I have to vote between the lesser of two weevils then we need to get new flour. I will vote for who I think "will do the best job" whether or not they will get elected. If I vote for somebody just so Giuliani or Clinton won't get elected then I am not being true to myself and my country. Shame on you for suggesting such a thing.
    Can you show me where I suggested such a thing?

    Or is that just a rhetorical flour-ish?

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    It's nice to know what Sean Hannity thinks of true Americans and conservatism. What is wrong with the "conservative" radio hosts? Have they even forgotten what America is all about?
    http://www.nationalledger.com/artman...72617088.shtml

    Ron Paul Given a Time Out by Sean Hannity

    By Keith Walters Jones
    Nov 6, 2007


    Ron Paul has been given a time out by Sean Hannity. In the forums section of the website this message gas been posted: "Due to the troll raid following the activities of Nov 5th posting of Ron Paul threads has been suspended. Doing so will result in removal of the thread and a ban. I will review the status of this periodically and open RP threads again when appropriate."

    Many of the Paul followers have complained mightily that they don't get a fair shake in the mainstream media but one would believe that certainly a Fox commentator would grant the good doctor a forum for his followers to push his message.
    ***

    This is similar to what happened a few years ago with the popular online message board Free Republic. At that time Hannity ripped the "Freepers" and they fired back not only on their own website but on Sean's as well. This is the message tha was palce online then.

    "I am going to lock this thread down. The Hannity boards are not here for you guys & gals to argue old business from the Free Republic board. Don't bring your personal issues and battles here. Now if you look through our rules you won't find one on that..... but I will enforce the issue anyway."


    ***

    Let me preface this by noting that I will vote for Ron Paul in the primaries and likely in the general if I get the opportunity. I can't defend Hannity one bit unless there were threats of violence or foul language. But it is his message board so if he wants to clamp it down so be it. I'm guessing there is no stopping the Ron Paul revolution just with one small step like this.

    I am reminded that on air after the Fox debate Hannity mentioned to Dr. Paul in an interview that he didn't believe Fox's own poll that Paul was winning the inevitable "who do you believe won the debate." Paul joked with Hannity at the time that it was a bit odd that he didn't believe his own network's polling.


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    HankT wrote:
    sedjester wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    sedjester wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    Knock your socks off, guys. But....

    a vote for Ron Paul = a vote for Rudy Giuliani




    Would you care to expound upon that statement?
    <snip>

    Soooooo, voting for Paul means that one of the non-Giuliani candidates will generallyhave avote taken from them (if Paul doesn't get it). Now, in the case of minor candidates, like Tancredo and Hunter, it doesn't mean anything. But if thePaul voter denies his second choice to Romney, Thompson,Huckabeeand McCain, then itlessons their chances to beat Giuliani.

    <snip>
    Like I've said before, if I have to vote between the lesser of two weevils then we need to get new flour. I will vote for who I think "will do the best job" whether or not they will get elected. If I vote for somebody just so Giuliani or Clinton won't get elected then I am not being true to myself and my country. Shame on you for suggesting such a thing.
    Can you show me where I suggested such a thing?

    Or is that just a rhetorical flour-ish?
    "Lessens their chances to beat Giuliani" sounds like you are advocating voting for one of the "lesser weevils" so that Giuliani won't win. It was flour-ish, but not rhetorical

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    sedjester wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    sedjester wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    sedjester wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    Knock your socks off, guys. But....

    a vote for Ron Paul = a vote for Rudy Giuliani




    Would you care to expound upon that statement?
    <snip>

    Soooooo, voting for Paul means that one of the non-Giuliani candidates will generallyhave avote taken from them (if Paul doesn't get it). Now, in the case of minor candidates, like Tancredo and Hunter, it doesn't mean anything. But if thePaul voter denies his second choice to Romney, Thompson,Huckabeeand McCain, then itlessons their chances to beat Giuliani.

    <snip>
    Like I've said before, if I have to vote between the lesser of two weevils then we need to get new flour. I will vote for who I think "will do the best job" whether or not they will get elected. If I vote for somebody just so Giuliani or Clinton won't get elected then I am not being true to myself and my country. Shame on you for suggesting such a thing.
    Can you show me where I suggested such a thing?

    Or is that just a rhetorical flour-ish?
    "Lessens their chances to beat Giuliani" sounds like you are advocating voting for one of the "lesser weevils" so that Giuliani won't win. It was flour-ish, but not rhetorical
    Nah, it doesn't say that. It was just neutralanalysis. And buta derivation of the classic 3rd party spoiler structural form.


    Andyour commentwas both. Trust me. Thanks for the set-up. I couldn't have done mine without you.:P

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    Neutralanalysis or not I still stand by my opinion that:

    a vote for Ron Paul =\= a vote for Rudy Giuliani


    To me it sounded like you were saying in order to beat Giuliani we need to vote for somebody else besides Ron Paul. If you didn't mean that then I apologize for putting bad flour in your mouth. :P

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    sedjester wrote:
    Neutralanalysis or not I still stand by my opinion that:

    a vote for Ron Paul == a vote for Rudy Giuliani


    To me it sounded like you were saying in order to beat Giuliani we need to vote for somebody else besides Ron Paul. If you didn't mean that then I apologize for putting bad flour in your mouth. :P
    Well, I'll tell ya....when reading someone else's writing it is a good recipe to:

    1) read all the words, and,

    2) not add any new ones.

    If you don't do this you will produce a half-baked conclusion...



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    Can you explain to me how I read your posts wrong? Which words did I 'not' read and which words did I 'add'?

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    This is similar to what happened a few years ago with the popular online message board Free Republic. At that time Hannity ripped the "Freepers" and they fired back not only on their own website but on Sean's as well. This is the message tha was palce online then.
    Much of why I 'left' the FR and what I don't like about RP fans. If you sell a personality, as is done in American demotic[sic] politics, and the candidate turns out to have feet of clay then the fans get to smell their ordure - and try to convince the rest of us of their honesty and dedication.

    Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed whre they will, with wits and guns and the truth. LAB/NRA/GOP *******

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    sedjester wrote:
    Can you explain to me how I read your posts wrong? Which words did I 'not' read and which words did I 'add'?
    Only you can do that. And only if you carefully review your perceptions. You will very likely not be able to do that because it involves finding a mistake. Yours.

    The fact is that I did not "suggest" or "advocate" you to vote any way.

    I simply posited, and supported, a relationship:

    a vote for Ron Paul = a vote for Rudy Giuliani

    I don't see anybody arguing against said posited relationship. Not even you.

    Reality is a bitch.

    The process of thinking it through was good for me, because I realized another rather ironic result: The posited relationship is actually the worst possible one to exist for Ron Paul supporters.

    And possibly for the Republican party as well...

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    HankT wrote:
    Only you can do that. And only if you carefully review your perceptions. You will very likely not be able to do that because it involves finding a mistake. Yours.

    The fact is that I did not "suggest" or "advocate" you to vote any way.

    I simply posited, and supported, a relationship:

    a vote for Ron Paul = a vote for Rudy Giuliani

    I don't see anybody arguing against said posited relationship. Not even you.

    Reality is a bitch.

    The process of thinking it through was good for me, because I realized another rather ironic result: The posited relationship is actually the worst possible one to exist for Ron Paul supporters.

    And possibly for the Republican party as well...
    Let it go. Americans will vote for who they want, and I'm not going to worry about "well, if I vote for Candidate A, it will pull from B,C, and D, and therefore help E."Who knows if that thinking is true or not. Vote for what you believe, and leave it at that. Let's stop the strategy games, and just back the candidate you believe in. We have had election after election of staying in line because we are worried the worst candidate on "our" side or "their" side will be elected. I'm done with that mentality. I don't want another run-of-the-mill president; liberal or conservative.

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