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Hampton Roads - OC reports

Grapeshot

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Also forgive me for saying but given the ages of your daughters I think they draw attention with or without open carrying. Just my opinion but of course I've never met them. Just consider the young adult male population of Hampton Roads. I think it's still mostly military right? So a young woman is going to draw attention regardless of a weapon or not. Just the opinion of a younger military male.

Being military or young has little to do with it. Some of us have just learned to be more circumspect - still appreciative though :D

BTW - you haven't seen .45ACP's "agreement" if you wish to date his daughter(s) I take it.
A comical (?) list of conditions and ends with the statement, "If you hurt her in any way, I will hunt you to the ends of this earth" or something similar to that :lol:
 

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Being military or young has little to do with it. Some of us have just learned to be more circumspect - still appreciative though :D

BTW - you haven't seen .45ACP's "agreement" if you wish to date his daughter(s) I take it.
A comical (?) list of conditions and ends with the statement, "If you hurt her in any way, I will hunt you to the ends of this earth" or something similar to that :lol:

Well I was simply saying that a young woman in a city with a population of young military males will draw attention regardless simply based on how young military males are. Of course I am stereotyping them but I believe I am justified in that regard.

As for the whole dating agreement I have not seen it. But I have also not met him or his daughters so I wouldn't even consider dating them yet. But I would love to meet other like minded people in my area. Anyone feel like a late lunch or early dinner tonight in the Newport News/Hampton/Yorktown area tonight?
 

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Well I was simply saying that a young woman in a city with a population of young military males will draw attention regardless simply based on how young military males are. Of course I am stereotyping them but I believe I am justified in that regard.

As for the whole dating agreement I have not seen it. But I have also not met him or his daughters so I wouldn't even consider dating them yet. But I would love to meet other like minded people in my area. Anyone feel like a late lunch or early dinner tonight in the Newport News/Hampton/Yorktown area tonight?

My syntax was faulty when I said, "you haven't seen .45ACP's "agreement" if you wish to date his daughter(s) I take it."

Should have said, "you haven't seen .45 ACP's "agreement", I take it. If someone wishes to date his daughter........"

Intended to be light hearted, not critical of your post in any way - to which I concur BTW.
 

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When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force.

I found that on this site. It explains why I open carry pretty well. I don't remember who said it or where it's from origionally. But on an unrelated note I need to take my new XDM to a range. I was thinking of going to The Marksman this Saturday anyone know a better range or want to go with?


That is Marko Kloos' essay - the one that Major Caudill plagerized and Ted Nugent got to pay copyright infringement penalties for using without permission. The whole thing is enshrined at http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2007/03/23/why-the-gun-is-civilization/ .

Can't remember who it is, but someone around here has it in their signature line.

stay safe.

ETA - it's nuc65's sig line!
 
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skidmark

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My syntax was faulty when I said, "you haven't seen .45ACP's "agreement" if you wish to date his daughter(s) I take it."

Should have said, "you haven't seen .45 ACP's "agreement", I take it. If someone wishes to date his daughter........"

Intended to be light hearted, not critical of your post in any way - to which I concur BTW.

His "agreement" makes these http://www.websitement-tm.com/Darwin/Content/rules_for_dating_my_daughter.htm seem downright lighthearted. But then I've been formally introduced to the daughters and truely believe they are worth protecting.

stay safe.
 

Doc_Smith

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My syntax was faulty when I said, "you haven't seen .45ACP's "agreement" if you wish to date his daughter(s) I take it."

Should have said, "you haven't seen .45 ACP's "agreement", I take it. If someone wishes to date his daughter........"

Intended to be light hearted, not critical of your post in any way - to which I concur BTW.

Oh please don't misunderstand I did take t light hearted so dont worry. That's the one problem with the Internet you can't see facial expression. I would love to see this agreement and meet the family. The only reason I stereotype young military males is because I used to be one. Not as bad as most but I indeed was. Its something I have spent a lot of time working to fix about myself and get back to my roots.
 

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His "agreement" makes these http://www.websitement-tm.com/Darwin/Content/rules_for_dating_my_daughter.htm seem downright lighthearted. But then I've been formally introduced to the daughters and truely believe they are worth protecting.

stay safe.

Yes my version of the application includes the linked rules (with some slight clarification). Eg, there is no reason to touch my daughter, remove your hands from her or I will remove them from you! Where the red is added for clarity such that a boy isn't under the wrong impression that I will simply remove his hands from my daughter's body. :)

BTW: Mike and I are often confused for some reason. I am 45acpForMe and Mike is MSC 45acp but we BOTH have daughters! :)

APPLICATION FOR PERMISSION TO DATE MY DAUGHTER
NOTE: This application will be incomplete and rejected, unless
accompanied by a complete financial statement, job history, lineage, and
current medical report from your doctor.
NAME________________________________ DATE OF BIRTH_____________
HEIGHT_______ WEIGHT_______ IQ_______ GPA_________
SOCIAL SECURITY #______________ DRIVERS LICENSE #_____________
BOY SCOUT RANK AND BADGES___________________________________
HOME ADDRESS___________________ CITY/STATE________ ZIP_____
Do you have parents? ___Yes ___No
Is one male and the other female? ___Yes ___No
If No, explain:
_____________________________________________________________
Number of years they have been married ____
If less than your age, explain
__________________________________________________
ACCESSORIES SECTION:
A. Do you own or have access to a van? __Yes __No
B. A truck with oversized tires? __Yes __No
C. A waterbed? __Yes __No
D. A pickup with a mattress in the back? __Yes __No
E. A tattoo? __Yes __No
F. Do you have an earring, nose ring, pierced tongue, pierced cheek or a belly button ring? __Yes __No
(IF YOU ANSWERED 'YES' TO ANY OF THE ABOVE, DISCONTINUE APPLICATION AND
LEAVE PREMISES IMMEDIATELY. I SUGGEST RUNNING.)
ESSAY SECTION:
In 50 words or less, what does 'LATE' mean to you?
______________________________________________________________
In 50 words or less, what does 'DON'T TOUCH MY DAUGHTER' mean to you?
______________________________________________________________
In 50 words or less, what does 'ABSTINENCE' mean to you?
______________________________________________________________
REFERENCES SECTION:
Church you attend __________________________________________
How often you attend _______________________________________
When would be the best time to interview your:
father? _____________
mother? _____________
pastor? _____________
SHORT-ANSWER SECTION:
Answer by filling in the blank. Please answer freely, all answers are confidential.
A: If I were shot, the last place I would want to be shot would be:
______________________________________________________________
B: If I were beaten, the last bone I would want broken is my:
______________________________________________________________
C: A woman's place is in the:
______________________________________________________________
D: The one thing I hope this application does not ask me about is:
______________________________________________________________
E. What do you want to do IF you grow up? ___________________________
F. When I meet a girl, the thing I always notice about her first is:
______________________________________________________________
F. What is the current going rate of a hotel room? __________________
I SWEAR THAT ALL INFORMATION SUPPLIED ABOVE IS TRUE AND CORRECT TO THE
BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE UNDER PENALTY OF DEATH, DISMEMBERMENT, NATIVE
AMERICAN ANT TORTURE, CRUCIFIXION, ELECTROCUTION, CHINESE WATER TORTURE,
AND RED HOT POKERS.
_________________________________________________________
Applicant's Signature (that means sign your name, moron!)
_______________________________ ________________________________
Mother's Signature Father's Signature
_______________________________ ________________________________
Pastor/Priest/Rabbi ........................ State Representative/Congressman

Thank you for your interest, and it had better be genuine and
non-sexual. Please allow four to six years for processing.
You will be contacted in writing if you are approved. Please do not
try to call or write (since you probably can't, and it would cause you
injury). If your application is rejected, you will be notified by two
gentleman wearing white ties carrying violin cases. (you might watch your back).

To prepare yourself, start studying Daddy's Rules for Dating.

Daddy's Rules for Dating
Your dad's rules for your boyfriend (or for you if you're a guy) :

Rule One:
If you pull into my driveway and honk you'd better be delivering a package, because you're sure not picking anything up.

Rule Two:
You do not touch my daughter in front of me. You may glance at her, so
long as you do not peer at anything below her neck. If you cannot keep
your eyes or hands off of my daughter's body, I will remove them from you.

Rule Three:
I am aware that it is considered fashionable for boys of your age to
wear their trousers so loosely that they appear to be falling off their
hips. Please don't take this as an insult, but you and all of your
friends are complete idiots. Still, I want to be fair and open minded
about this issue, so I propose this compromise: You may come to the door
with your underwear showing and your pants ten sizes too big, and I will
not object. However, in order to ensure that your clothes do not, in fact
come off during the course of your date with my daughter, I will take my
electric nail gun and fasten your trousers securely in place to your waist.

Rule Four:
I'm sure you've been told that in today's world, sex without utilizing
a 'Barrier method' of some kind can kill you. Let me elaborate, when it
comes to sex, I am the barrier, and I will kill you.

Rule Five:
It is usually understood that in order for us to get to know each
other, we should talk about sports, politics, and other issues of the
day. Please do not do this. The only information I require from you is an
indication of when you expect to have my daughter safely back at my
house, and the only word I need from you on this subject is: 'early.'

Rule Six:
I have no doubt you are a popular fellow, with many opportunities to
date other girls. This is fine with me as long as it is okay with my
daughter. Otherwise, once you have gone out with my little girl, you will
continue to date no one but her until she is finished with you. If you
make her cry, I will make you cry.

Rule Seven:
As you stand in my front hallway, waiting for my daughter to appear,
and more than an hour goes by, do not sigh and fidget. If you want to be
on time for the movie, you should not be dating. My daughter is putting
on her makeup, a process than can take longer than painting the Golden
Gate Bridge. Instead of just standing there, why don't you do something
useful, like changing the oil in my car?

Rule Eight:
The following places are not appropriate for a date with my daughter:
Places where there are beds, sofas, or anything softer than a wooden
stool. Places where there is darkness. Places where there is dancing,
holding hands, or happiness. Places where the ambient temperature is warm
enough to induce my daughter to wear shorts, tank tops, midriff T-shirts,
or anything other than overalls, a sweater, and a goose down parka -
zipped up to her throat. Movies with a strong romantic or sexual themes
are to be avoided; movies which feature chain saws are okay. Hockey games
are okay. Old folks homes are better.

Rule Nine:
Do not lie to me. I may appear to be a potbellied, balding,
middle-aged, dimwitted has-been. But on issues relating to my daughter, I
am the all-knowing, merciless god of your universe. If I ask you where
you are going and with whom, you have one chance to tell me the truth,
the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I have a shotgun, a shovel,
and five acres behind the house. Do not trifle with me.

Rule Ten:
Be afraid. Be very afraid. It takes very little for me to mistake the
sound of your car in the driveway for a chopper coming in over a rice
paddy near Hanoi . When my Agent Orange starts acting up, the voices in
my head frequently tell me to clean the guns as I wait for you to bring
my daughter home. As soon as you pull into the driveway you should exit
the car with both hands in plain sight. Speak the perimeter password,
announce in a clear voice that you have brought my daughter home safely
and early, then return to your car - there is no need for you to come
inside. The camouflaged face at the window is mine.
 
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Doc_Smith

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I am disqualified because of my tattoos? I'm heartbroken. That's the only thing keeping me from applying though. Might that be waiverable?
 

45acpForMe

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I am disqualified because of my tattoos? I'm heartbroken. That's the only thing keeping me from applying though. Might that be waiverable?

Another OC asked about the tatoos and why they were on the list. I simply responded that my daughters are 13 and 15 so anyone old enough to have a tatoo AIN'T dating MY daughter! I may revise the rules as they age though. :)
 

mk4

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Yes my version of the application includes the linked rules (with some slight clarification). Eg, there is no reason to touch my daughter, remove your hands from her or I will remove them from you! Where the red is added for clarity such that a boy isn't under the wrong impression that I will simply remove his hands from my daughter's body. :)

BTW: Mike and I are often confused for some reason. I am 45acpForMe and Mike is MSC 45acp but we BOTH have daughters! :)

APPLICATION FOR PERMISSION TO DATE MY DAUGHTER
NOTE: This application will be incomplete and rejected, unless
accompanied by a complete financial statement, job history, lineage, and
current medical report from your doctor.
NAME________________________________ DATE OF BIRTH_____________
HEIGHT_______ WEIGHT_______ IQ_______ GPA_________
SOCIAL SECURITY #______________ DRIVERS LICENSE #_____________
BOY SCOUT RANK AND BADGES___________________________________
HOME ADDRESS___________________ CITY/STATE________ ZIP_____
Do you have parents? ___Yes ___No
Is one male and the other female? ___Yes ___No
If No, explain:
_____________________________________________________________
Number of years they have been married ____
If less than your age, explain
__________________________________________________
ACCESSORIES SECTION:
A. Do you own or have access to a van? __Yes __No
B. A truck with oversized tires? __Yes __No
C. A waterbed? __Yes __No
D. A pickup with a mattress in the back? __Yes __No
E. A tattoo? __Yes __No
F. Do you have an earring, nose ring, pierced tongue, pierced cheek or a belly button ring? __Yes __No
(IF YOU ANSWERED 'YES' TO ANY OF THE ABOVE, DISCONTINUE APPLICATION AND
LEAVE PREMISES IMMEDIATELY. I SUGGEST RUNNING.)
ESSAY SECTION:
In 50 words or less, what does 'LATE' mean to you?
______________________________________________________________
In 50 words or less, what does 'DON'T TOUCH MY DAUGHTER' mean to you?
______________________________________________________________
In 50 words or less, what does 'ABSTINENCE' mean to you?
______________________________________________________________
REFERENCES SECTION:
Church you attend __________________________________________
How often you attend _______________________________________
When would be the best time to interview your:
father? _____________
mother? _____________
pastor? _____________
SHORT-ANSWER SECTION:
Answer by filling in the blank. Please answer freely, all answers are confidential.
A: If I were shot, the last place I would want to be shot would be:
______________________________________________________________
B: If I were beaten, the last bone I would want broken is my:
______________________________________________________________
C: A woman's place is in the:
______________________________________________________________
D: The one thing I hope this application does not ask me about is:
______________________________________________________________
E. What do you want to do IF you grow up? ___________________________
F. When I meet a girl, the thing I always notice about her first is:
______________________________________________________________
F. What is the current going rate of a hotel room? __________________
I SWEAR THAT ALL INFORMATION SUPPLIED ABOVE IS TRUE AND CORRECT TO THE
BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE UNDER PENALTY OF DEATH, DISMEMBERMENT, NATIVE
AMERICAN ANT TORTURE, CRUCIFIXION, ELECTROCUTION, CHINESE WATER TORTURE,
AND RED HOT POKERS.
_________________________________________________________
Applicant's Signature (that means sign your name, moron!)
_______________________________ ________________________________
Mother's Signature Father's Signature
_______________________________ ________________________________
Pastor/Priest/Rabbi ........................ State Representative/Congressman

Thank you for your interest, and it had better be genuine and
non-sexual. Please allow four to six years for processing.
You will be contacted in writing if you are approved. Please do not
try to call or write (since you probably can't, and it would cause you
injury). If your application is rejected, you will be notified by two
gentleman wearing white ties carrying violin cases. (you might watch your back).

To prepare yourself, start studying Daddy's Rules for Dating.

Daddy's Rules for Dating
Your dad's rules for your boyfriend (or for you if you're a guy) :

Rule One:
If you pull into my driveway and honk you'd better be delivering a package, because you're sure not picking anything up.

Rule Two:
You do not touch my daughter in front of me. You may glance at her, so
long as you do not peer at anything below her neck. If you cannot keep
your eyes or hands off of my daughter's body, I will remove them from you.

Rule Three:
I am aware that it is considered fashionable for boys of your age to
wear their trousers so loosely that they appear to be falling off their
hips. Please don't take this as an insult, but you and all of your
friends are complete idiots. Still, I want to be fair and open minded
about this issue, so I propose this compromise: You may come to the door
with your underwear showing and your pants ten sizes too big, and I will
not object. However, in order to ensure that your clothes do not, in fact
come off during the course of your date with my daughter, I will take my
electric nail gun and fasten your trousers securely in place to your waist.

Rule Four:
I'm sure you've been told that in today's world, sex without utilizing
a 'Barrier method' of some kind can kill you. Let me elaborate, when it
comes to sex, I am the barrier, and I will kill you.

Rule Five:
It is usually understood that in order for us to get to know each
other, we should talk about sports, politics, and other issues of the
day. Please do not do this. The only information I require from you is an
indication of when you expect to have my daughter safely back at my
house, and the only word I need from you on this subject is: 'early.'

Rule Six:
I have no doubt you are a popular fellow, with many opportunities to
date other girls. This is fine with me as long as it is okay with my
daughter. Otherwise, once you have gone out with my little girl, you will
continue to date no one but her until she is finished with you. If you
make her cry, I will make you cry.

Rule Seven:
As you stand in my front hallway, waiting for my daughter to appear,
and more than an hour goes by, do not sigh and fidget. If you want to be
on time for the movie, you should not be dating. My daughter is putting
on her makeup, a process than can take longer than painting the Golden
Gate Bridge. Instead of just standing there, why don't you do something
useful, like changing the oil in my car?

Rule Eight:
The following places are not appropriate for a date with my daughter:
Places where there are beds, sofas, or anything softer than a wooden
stool. Places where there is darkness. Places where there is dancing,
holding hands, or happiness. Places where the ambient temperature is warm
enough to induce my daughter to wear shorts, tank tops, midriff T-shirts,
or anything other than overalls, a sweater, and a goose down parka -
zipped up to her throat. Movies with a strong romantic or sexual themes
are to be avoided; movies which feature chain saws are okay. Hockey games
are okay. Old folks homes are better.

Rule Nine:
Do not lie to me. I may appear to be a potbellied, balding,
middle-aged, dimwitted has-been. But on issues relating to my daughter, I
am the all-knowing, merciless god of your universe. If I ask you where
you are going and with whom, you have one chance to tell me the truth,
the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I have a shotgun, a shovel,
and five acres behind the house. Do not trifle with me.

Rule Ten:
Be afraid. Be very afraid. It takes very little for me to mistake the
sound of your car in the driveway for a chopper coming in over a rice
paddy near Hanoi . When my Agent Orange starts acting up, the voices in
my head frequently tell me to clean the guns as I wait for you to bring
my daughter home. As soon as you pull into the driveway you should exit
the car with both hands in plain sight. Speak the perimeter password,
announce in a clear voice that you have brought my daughter home safely
and early, then return to your car - there is no need for you to come
inside. The camouflaged face at the window is mine.

Bahahaha!
Love this! Consider it stolen! :monkey
 

45acpForMe

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Bahahaha!
Love this! Consider it stolen! :monkey

I wasn't the originator just tweeked it a little. So consider it shared. :)

Doc_Smith, the reason we are Fathers-like-us is because we were once young men ourselves and are determined that no one like us will get within the outer perimeter near my daughter.

The real trick is to protect them until they are old enough to discearn numbskulls for themselves. At 18 or 22 (whenever they move/are-kicked out) is the time for dating to start. :)

Been CC-ing around town today because I keep forgetting to strap on a gun. I guess I will go do that now before I forget again. See what happens when you forget to put on your gun first thing in the morning?!? Age is starting to catch up to me and whack me upside the head/body/hairline/memory/what-was-I-saying?
 

Doc_Smith

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I wasn't the originator just tweeked it a little. So consider it shared. :)

Doc_Smith, the reason we are Fathers-like-us is because we were once young men ourselves and are determined that no one like us will get within the outer perimeter near my daughter.

The real trick is to protect them until they are old enough to discearn numbskulls for themselves. At 18 or 22 (whenever they move/are-kicked out) is the time for dating to start. :)

Been CC-ing around town today because I keep forgetting to strap on a gun. I guess I will go do that now before I forget again. See what happens when you forget to put on your gun first thing in the morning?!? Age is starting to catch up to me and whack me upside the head/body/hairline/memory/what-was-I-saying?

Don't feel bad. I have every intention of being the same way if I ever have a daughter. It's bad enough I have a new niece. But luckily I got my little sister into shooting. As for your memory I know how you feel. Two deployments have left me with a nice case of MTBI. Headaches and memory loss is wonderful! Gotta love it at 23. :cuss:
 

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I wasn't the originator just tweeked it a little. So consider it shared. :)

Doc_Smith, the reason we are Fathers-like-us is because we were once young men ourselves and are determined that no one like us will get within the outer perimeter near my daughter.

The real trick is to protect them until they are old enough to discearn numbskulls for themselves. At 18 or 22 (whenever they move/are-kicked out) is the time for dating to start. :)

Been CC-ing around town today because I keep forgetting to strap on a gun. I guess I will go do that now before I forget again. See what happens when you forget to put on your gun first thing in the morning?!? Age is starting to catch up to me and whack me upside the head/body/hairline/memory/what-was-I-saying?

Hmmm....my daughter is 10. I've been telling her for years that the legal age to date without a parental permission is 35. I'm confident that I will be long since senile by that point.
 

Grapeshot

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Gotta to love the occasional twists ( won't say highjacks) in these threads - to which I myself contributed.

Am reminded of the quote "We were young once and soldiers." We have been there and done that and don't want our children to have to go through the same. Prepare them well gentlemen and ladies, for they will experience some of the same stressors.

I did not OC in Hampton Roads at all today..........................was doing so in Richmond.
 

45acpForMe

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Don't feel bad. I have every intention of being the same way if I ever have a daughter. It's bad enough I have a new niece. But luckily I got my little sister into shooting. As for your memory I know how you feel. Two deployments have left me with a nice case of MTBI. Headaches and memory loss is wonderful! Gotta love it at 23. :cuss:

MTBI, (mild,moderate,massive-trauma-brain-injury)? My daughter has now fully recovered (at least that is what she says) from her concussion. It only took 6-7 months and her symptoms included a list of 12-15 different things from headache, trouble concentrating, moodyness, nausea, dizzieness, etc. I hope you heal fully.

OC-ed to Atlantic Coast Tumbling (and True Value, Home Depot yesterday) no issues.

Yes, Grapeshot, I enjoy the occassional thread hijack in that it lets me get to know others and their sense of humor (lack there-of) and background. It is actually pleasant to find out that there is a young crop of OC-ers coming up that know their 2A rights "and" exercise them. I started late after being conditioned living in NY, CA, MD-for-a-summer before finally winding up here.
 
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